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Old 09-23-2016, 02:38 PM
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Barring that "Lottie" was full of it, how do you interpret the bold underlined:

"I was living further up the court then. She (Mary Kelly) says `I'm afraid to go out alone at night because of a dream I had that a man was murdering me. Maybe I'll be next. They say Jack's been busy in this quarter'."

Is she saying...

-Jack's been busy in Whitechapel since August? [ie. committing murder]
-Jack's been busy around Dorset St. since September 30th? [ie. he's "known" to be trolling about the area]


ref. Kit, Kitty, Kitten by Any Aliffe
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It's a valid question.

I think the comment about her nightmare might lead us to wonder if MJK was a woman on the run from a threatening male. She does seem to have a mysterious past.
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Hello PCDunn.

There is that shade of foretelling similar to the Elizabeth Stride account. I wonder if they confessed these ,worries, to their priest. Btw, do you know which newspaper Joe read to her?

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Hello PCDunn.

There is that shade of foretelling similar to the Elizabeth Stride account. I wonder if they confessed these ,worries, to their priest. Btw, do you know which newspaper Joe read to her?

The coincidence of Liz being identified after her death by the philanthropist as a woman he had seen in a lodging house has always intrigued me.

I don't know which newspaper it was, but probably one of the more sensational ones, if Kelly's nightmare came from the news reports.
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Do you think her fear could be a confession that she was prostituting herself a ways prior to Joe leaving since the news reports that he is reading to her are about casual prostitutes being murdered? She obviously recognized something of herself in these women, and was afraid to be put into the same horror as them.
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I don't know, it's possible. Remember, part of Kelly's story is that she had done that sort of work earlier, and had even been to Paris. Was she afraid of the gentleman who had once taken her there? If so, why?
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Can you imagine her horror the day that Joe reads Sgt. James Byfield,s testimony at the Eddowes inquest...

[Coroner] What name and address did she give? - Mary Ann Kelly, No. 6, Fashion-street, Spitalfields.


If her shady past was catching up with her, Pcdunn, it wouldn,t be unusual for her to be following the story in the newspaper. But then... why wait to be caught?

If she truly stated that she was afraid to go out alone at nite paired with her fear of Jack, do you think she walked the streets? Did she take her business inside as protection against Jack?
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If she truly stated that she was afraid to go out alone at nite paired with her fear of Jack, do you think she walked the streets?
Nope.
More reason to doubt Hutchinson's statement.
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Hi,
If I remember correctly,was it not once stated that shortly before Kelly's death a man came to McCarthy and wanted to know where Mary was, he said she had something of his[ a watch I believe] and McCarthy is supposed to have sent him packing
I believe this information came from Fiona Kendall lane, and according to her, her great grandfather [ who was McCarthy] always believed he knew who her killer was.
I wonder if this was here killer, was he Hutchinson's well dressed man. did Mary believe he had forgiven her for the past, and allowed him access to her room.?
If so it cost her life.
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Hello richardnunweek.

Mary told this to Lottie sometime in October because, up until the publication of DEAR BOSS, the Whitechapel killer was known as LEATHER APRON as evidenced by J Best. {Not unless Lottie knew another JACK.who Mary was directly referencing}.

I think there may have been some anonymity between Jack and Mary because Mary refers to him by his celebrity name. The conversation did not go:

Mary: They say Charlie,s been busy in this quarter lately.
Lottie: Who,s Charlie?
Mary: He,s Jack the Ripper

If Mary knew who he was, she could have turned a profit thru the media, vigilance committee, &etc before being murdered. She would have been aware of any rewards given if Joe was still reading her the paper.



Interesting to know why McCarthy felt the rush to send the man packing. That insinuates a foul conversation and a loss of temper.
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