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Old 05-07-2016, 09:32 PM
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I thought it could be useful to identify what are the actual facts we know about the Ripper, as opposed to speculation.

While it could be argued that most of what we know about JTR is speculation, there are some aspects that are more factual than others.

The following is my start ...

Witness description. The consistent picture from more reliable witnesses is he was aged 25 - 35 y.o., about 5'7" tall, was English, appeared well educated, had a moustache and was stocky built.

Time of killings. He only killed on weekends in the early morning.

Had skill in cutting and anatomy. While it is contentious whether he was a doctor or butcher, one can say he was comfortable using a knife to cut flesh.

He was able to move around without being detected.

Dates are alingned with turmoil at Scotland Yard. The first Nicholls killing occurred when Monro resigned due to conflict with Warren. The final Kelly killing was the day after Warren resigned.

No killings in October.

Killings preceded by Torso murders, and body part thrown into Scotland Yard. While some debate whether the Torso a killer and Ripper were the same man, they both had the same impact of embarrassing Metropolitan Police.

Scotland Yard was unpopular. Warren was criticised for bringing in force to quell a protest the previous November. There was known tension within Scotland Yard and with City of London Police.

Items I have omitted as fact, which could be are :

Graffiti and apron

Letters - while most are considered a hoax, some believe the Lusk letter and kidney are genuine.


There is obviously so much speculation around the Ripper. I know I'd appreciate knowing what are the facts , and hope others may as well.

All the best

Craig
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Old 05-07-2016, 09:50 PM
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Time of killings. He only killed on weekends in the early morning.
Polly Nichols was murdered on 31 Aug 1888, approx. 3:30 Friday morning.
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I am not persuaded that any of the witnesses saw Jack.
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Mary Kelly died on a Friday, we don't know what time in the morning. Admittedly it was a Bank Holiday long weekend but it's best to be accurate!

How do we know Jack was well educated? If you read the Lusk letter it seems to be the reverse, even leaving aside the GSG with its double negatives. Also, both Mrs Long and Hutch pointed, not too subtly, to the person they saw being a foreigner (read Jew.) Whether either of these witnesses are reliable depends on your point of view, I guess.
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The skill level is far from a cert. Depends on who you believe I guess.
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:32 AM
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The only known facts about the killer are that he:
a) was at the murder sites when the murders were committed and
b) carried a knife, which he used with great violence to inflict the recorded injuries.

The official witness statements, those recorded at the inquest or given to the police, are facts in so much as they represent what the witness said. The accuracy or truth of those statements is open to debate.

Other facts about the crimes, but not necessarily the killer, are:
1. A witness said that Annie Chapman was wearing two rings on the night of her death. Neither ring was found after the murder.
2. A piece of bloodstained apron belonging to Catherine Eddowes was found in Goulston Street, below a piece of graffiti.
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Old 05-08-2016, 01:11 AM
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Hi GUT

I previously posted a summary I'd found of witness statements at
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...hlight=Witness

Lawrende saw Eddowes with a man (who seemed to be a client) 10 minutes before she was found dead. Major Henry Smith believed he was a credible witness. Robert Anderson said Lawende was the only man who saw the killer.

PC William Smith described a man (client ?) with Stride 10 minutes before she died.

My u der standing us these two are regarded as most credible witnesses.

Craig
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Old 05-08-2016, 01:13 AM
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Thanks Paul .... I'd. Forgotten about the missing rings...


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The only known facts about the killer are that he:
a) was at the murder sites when the murders were committed and
b) carried a knife, which he used with great violence to inflict the recorded injuries.

The official witness statements, those recorded at the inquest or given to the police, are facts in so much as they represent what the witness said. The accuracy or truth of those statements is open to debate.

Other facts about the crimes, but not necessarily the killer, are:
1. A witness said that Annie Chapman was wearing two rings on the night of her death. Neither ring was found after the murder.
2. A piece of bloodstained apron belonging to Catherine Eddowes was found in Goulston Street, below a piece of graffiti.
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Hi GUT

I previously posted a summary I'd found of witness statements at
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...hlight=Witness

Lawrende saw Eddowes with a man (who seemed to be a client) 10 minutes before she was found dead. Major Henry Smith believed he was a credible witness. Robert Anderson said Lawende was the only man who saw the killer.

PC William Smith described a man (client ?) with Stride 10 minutes before she died.

My u der standing us these two are regarded as most credible witnesses.

Craig
I'd agree with that, I just am yet to be persuaded that the man she was seen with was JTR.
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Old 05-08-2016, 01:36 AM
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We don't know for sure if anyone saw the killer. Did Anderson, or anyone, name Lawende as the person who saw the killer or are we surmising? Also, why leave out the apron? I think it is a fact that a piece of Eddowes apron was found at Goulston Street.

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