Motive(s) of Lechmere-Cross

[Pierre]

Hi,

The sources of the Whitechapel murders don´t offer any conclusive evidence for a serial killer driven by a sexual motive.

So we have to keep the hypothesis that the killer had some other motive(s).

As far as I´ve understood, Fisherman believes that his suspect had some motives connected to a dominant mother and to the cat´s meat business (please correct me if I´m wrong).

Are there any historical sources containing evidence for this?

Regards Pierre

[GUT]

Hi,

The sources of the Whitechapel murders don´t offer any conclusive evidence for a serial killer driven by a sexual motive.

So we have to keep the hypothesis that the killer had some other motive(s).

As far as I´ve understood, Fisherman believes that his suspect had some motives connected to a dominant mother and to the cat´s meat business (please correct me if I´m wrong).

Are there any historical sources containing evidence for this?

Regards Pierre

Pierre I would suggest that there is more evidence of Jack being a sexual killer than would support any other motive.

Even outside that isn't a simple hatred for women more than enough motive.

[GUT]

Especially hatred of women of a certain class.

[Pierre]

Pierre I would suggest that there is more evidence of Jack being a sexual killer than would support any other motive.

Even outside that isn't a simple hatred for women more than enough motive.

How interesting,

please give references to this.

"Simple hatred for women" goes for a lot of men but they aren´t serial killers.

Regards Pierre

[Fisherman]

Hi,

The sources of the Whitechapel murders don´t offer any conclusive evidence for a serial killer driven by a sexual motive.

So we have to keep the hypothesis that the killer had some other motive(s).

As far as I´ve understood, Fisherman believes that his suspect had some motives connected to a dominant mother and to the cat´s meat business (please correct me if I´m wrong).

Are there any historical sources containing evidence for this?

Regards Pierre

What Fisherman says is that many serialists have a background involving an absent father and a domineering mother.

Then Fisherman points to how Charles Lechmere had a lacking father figure, who left the family when Charles was but an infant - or perhaps even before he was born.
After that, Fisherman notices how Maria Louisa, Lechmeres mother changed jobs a number of times and married on three occasions, two of them seemingly bigamously, and how she somehow worked out a solution with Charles where she had one of his daughters staying with her. At that stage, Fisherman thought "Wow, that seems to be one resourceful woman"!

Fisherman then thought about how nobody got killed as long as Lechmere was living in close geographical proximity to his mother, whereas the murders started once he moved away from her.

Now, being the seasoned crusader that Fisherman is, he would NOT say that it iss a proven thing that Charles must have been swayed by his fathers absense to become a killer. Nor would he say that it is a proven thing that Lechmere´s mother WAS domineering.
He would only say: Absent father figure. SEEMINGLY resourceful mother, possibly domineering. On the surface a good fit for the sort of background many serialists have. End of.

Fisherman does not think that being a cats meat woman makes you a serial killer, or that your kids will become serialists. Maria Louisa is listed as a cats meat woman in the 1891 census, and Charles Lechmere´s family was deeply involved in the business.
Fisherman knows that sociological studies have been made, showing how working with dead bodies, carcasses, sometimes desensitizes those who do so. Fisherman also knows that there is a correlation between slaughteries and criminality - once a town gets involved in the slaughtery business, it seems the criminal rates of physical violence rises. Experts speculate that this is knit to the desensitizing earlier mentioned.

Fisherman is also known to have noted the fact that when the Pinchin Street torso was found, in September 1889, Lechmere´s mother lived in 147 Cable Street, a short distance from where the Pinchin Street torso was dumped. He has also noted that Charles Lechmere once lived in Pinchin Street, as a boy. Fisherman also knows that cats meat women employed fine-toothed saws and sharp knives in their line of business - the very tools that were used to take the Pinchin Street victim apart.

From this Fisherman does not conclude that Lechmere must have been the killer, employing his mothers apartment as he cut up the body. He merely points to the opportunity that was seemingly there, and says that it does not detract as such from the possibilities to form a case against Lechmere.

That´s about it. Try not to misunderstand it, if you please!

[Pierre]

Hi Fisherman,

I don´t see any possibility to misunderstand this. It´s clear enough to me.

Another thing then - have you found any other sources connected to him that could explain why the murders stopped?

Regards Pierre

[packers stem]

Just an added point of interest
I believe there was also a cat meat seller living at 29 Hanbury Street

[Barnaby]

Hi Pierre,

I don't think the points Fisherman makes here pertain necessarily to motive. More like risk-factors to be a serial killer.

[belinda]

Mutilations around the genital regions would imply a sexual motive.

[Fisherman]

Hi Fisherman,

I don´t see any possibility to misunderstand this. It´s clear enough to me.

Another thing then - have you found any other sources connected to him that could explain why the murders stopped?

Regards Pierre

"Could"? Just about anything could explain why they stopped - if they stopped. But since we don´t know that they DID stop, it would be wrong to postulate that an explanation was needed.
Otherwise, things like having found another outlet for whatever it was that caused him to kill could offer an explanation as could some sort of major event in his life that had a mental impact on him.

It will always be a rather futile exercise in conjecture to discuss it, since we do not knpw what he was all about. We have him on place at the Nichols murder, he is surrounded by anomalies and what looks like a set of lies, so he makes an excellent bid for the killers role. That is what we can say. If and why he stopped killing is another matter that is not possible to provide with any tailormade answer.

[Fisherman]

Hi Pierre,

I don't think the points Fisherman makes here pertain necessarily to motive. More like risk-factors to be a serial killer.

Exactly so. It has nothing to do with motive, as Pierre seems to think.

[lynn cates]

technical name

Hello Pierre.

""Simple hatred for women" goes for a lot of men but they aren't serial killers."

I believe the technical name is "husbands." (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[belinda]

Hello Pierre.

""Simple hatred for women" goes for a lot of men but they aren't serial killers."

I believe the technical name is "husbands." (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

Cynic

[Abby Normal]

serial killings are often called motiveless because they don't adhere to any of the traditional motives-jealousy, monetary gain, revenge etc.

On that basis I agree-there is no traditional motive. They kill because they like it and/or releases an urge.

That being said I think there are more deep seated motives particular to the individual themselves.

In terms of the ripper-yes there is no overt sexual connotation to the crimes-ie-no evidence that there was sex involved.

However, I think its fairly obvious that there was a sexual component to the crimes-women/prostitutes targeted, privates targeted, breast,face etc.
God knows what he did with the organs-but I could take a pretty good guess I think.

Also, I think the ripper was fascinated with what he/his knife could do to the female body. I'll not go as far as the picuerism but it definitely had to do with his nice sharp knife.

I remember one of the serial killers (I believe was Rader??) when asked why he did it-said it was all about the rope. Something about the rope and tying people up and strangling them with it was what turned him on.
It was all about the rope.

with the ripper, I believe it was all about the knife-or at least a good deal to do with it.

[John G]

Hi,

The sources of the Whitechapel murders don´t offer any conclusive evidence for a serial killer driven by a sexual motive.

So we have to keep the hypothesis that the killer had some other motive(s).

As far as I´ve understood, Fisherman believes that his suspect had some motives connected to a dominant mother and to the cat´s meat business (please correct me if I´m wrong).

Are there any historical sources containing evidence for this?

Regards Pierre

A number of profilers have categorized JtR as a sexual murder, or lust murderer. For example, Keppel, Schlesinger, Roy Hazzlewood.