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  • #16
    You know if you take a good look at the "ladder" involved in the scheme, one wonders how in the world anyone could be expected to climb it and carry down a child in one arm in the first place. The rungs were extremely wide spaced to cut down in weight and make it easier to carry, It also could be broken down into three separate pieces for further convenience. Why then didn't the kidnapper take this easily carried ladder with him? I mean, yeah, the kid was dropped and killed, so they had to move him, but they could have quickly hidden the body and then taken the ladder.

    Hauptman's wife always insisted he was framed, and being offered life for his confession of guilt, Hauptman refused, saying he would not confess to a crime he didn't commit. What if he made the ladder for the kidnapper who did not explain his purpose, who then paid him with part of the ransom money?

    There was his handwriting, syntax, and spelling mistakes, but someone who knew Hauptman could have forged the ransom notes. I never read that his fingerprints were on the ransom notes, just his handwriting. Makes one wonder...
    And the questions always linger, no real answer in sight

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    • #17
      During the trial when Hauptmann was asked if he made the ladder he replied (with derision) 'I am a carpenter'.
      This is simply my opinion

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Archaic View Post
        Stan Reid is a good source for info on other mysterious cases; perhaps he'll know.
        Sorry but I can't be of much help. The only book I've read on this subject was Scapegoat: The Lonesome Death of Bruno Richard Hauptmann by Anthony Scaduto. It was a pretty good book for it's time but is probably a little dated now. There weren't really any additional suspects when this book was written so the books were all pretty much either Hauptmann did it or Hauptmann didn't do it. Obviously from the title, Saduto's took the view that Hauptmann was innocent.
        This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

        Stan Reid

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ginger View Post
          What are some good books on the Lindbergh case that people can recommend? Ideally I'd want a neutral work that doesn't push a conclusion, but does cover the media frenzy surrounding the case, and gives some sense of the times.
          It's hard to find a neutral work on this, because even the original press coverage was sensational. Lindbergh was something of a media whore in his time. It's hard to see, because his behavior is subtle compared to what we see now on reality TV, and such, but he really was something of a narcissist. The public perception of him was that he was a hero, though. He was like Neil Armstrong, or Buzz Aldrin in the 1970s.

          When his child was kidnapped, the entire country took it personally. My grandparents, who were around then, said that the country didn't take another tragedy so personally again, until the Kennedy assassination. Hauptmann never got the presumption of innocence, because someone had to pay for what happened. I wasn't there, but I think it must have been like the Casey Anthony case.

          This is why I'm sort of agnostic about the case. I think the evidence that Hauptmann was involved is compelling, but I worry that there was so much pressure to solve the case, that what has come down to us historically may not let us make good judgment.

          Scapegoat is an interesting book, but it is very dated. I think it was written in the early 1970s; IIRC, it details some exemplary cases where the police actually did trump up charges against people to show that such things did happen. The examples were not about the same police in the same state, or at the same time as the Lingbergh case, so they don't really prove anything, but they are still interesting.

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          • #20
            Article

            This Wikipedia actually contains quite a bit of detailed information, as well as the titles of some books written on the Lindbergh case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hauptmann

            I think it's interesting that Hauptmann refused to plead guilty, even as he went to the electric chair. I've wondered if he really was innocent of the kidnapping, or if he just couldn't bear for his wife and the rest of the world to know that he had kidnapped and caused the death of a little baby.

            Re: the ladder, Hauptmann was contemptuous of the rickety thing, because he was a skilled carpenter. So maybe that was just an act & he deliberately built it to look "unprofessional" to draw attention away from himself, or maybe he didn't build it after all.

            Another fascinating detail in the case is the suicide of the Lindbergh baby's nanny, Betty Gow. There have been many differing interpretations given to it.

            What I hope never gets lost in all the different explorations of the Lindbergh case is the one fact we can be absolutely certain of: a helpless little baby was victimized, suffered, and died.

            Best regards,
            Archaic

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            • #21
              I quite liked The Case that Never Dies: The Lindbergh Kidnapping by Lloyd G. Gardner.
              I prefer books like this one that aren't peddling a particular theory.
              Last edited by kidtwist; 04-12-2013, 10:33 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by louisa View Post
                During the trial when Hauptmann was asked if he made the ladder he replied (with derision) 'I am a carpenter'.
                Does that mean "I am a carpenter so of course I made the ladder" or "I am a carpenter so of course I wouldn't make such a crap ladder"?
                The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Errata View Post
                  Does that mean "I am a carpenter so of course I made the ladder" or "I am a carpenter so of course I wouldn't make such a crap ladder"?
                  The latter.

                  I believe the line got a big laugh at the trial.

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                  • #24
                    Another fascinating detail in the case is the suicide of the Lindbergh baby's nanny, Betty Gow. There have been many differing interpretations given to it.
                    It was actually Violet Sharpe, who was a housemad at Lindbergh's in-laws' house in Englewood NJ, who committed suicide for reasons never established.

                    On the night of the kidnap Lindbergh said he heard a noise like 'an orange crate' being broken up, and when the ladder was discovered it was broken at the top joint (it was in three sections, presumably to ease transportation). It was suggested that the ladder broke under the weight of the kidnapper who was carrying the baby, which he dropped to its death on the ground below. It is also interesting the the kidnapper(s) sent the baby's sleeping-suit to the Lindberghs presumably to prove that the baby was still alive. The remains of the baby found in the grounds at a later date was not wearing a sleeping-suit, only a flannel shirt which its nurse, Betty Gow, claimed to have made.

                    Even though Hauptmann considered himself a skilled carpenter, there seemed little point in producing a ladder which was a masterpiece of the joiner's craft if it were to be used only once. It is also significant that Hauptmann stopped working shortly after the kidnap, but continued to enjoy a relatively affluent lifestyle.

                    Regarding books, Ludovic Kennedy's The Airman And The Carpenter is a good read, but presumes from the start that Hauptmann was innocent and was stitched up. The Case That Never Dies is also worth reading.

                    G
                    We are suffering from a plethora of surmise, conjecture and hypothesis. - Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure Of Silver Blaze

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                    • #25
                      I am going from memory now, from an old Murder Casebook about this case.

                      Am I right in thinking that Ann Lindberg had a sister who was, to put it in basic terms, as mad as a box of frogs? Some kind of mental disorder anyway. I believe the sister lived with the Lindberg's and on one previous occasion they had found their baby in the dustbin where the sister had put him.

                      The thinking was that maybe the sister had committed this murder and the family decided to cover it up. They could not afford the scandal.
                      This is simply my opinion

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                      • #26
                        We can draw some conclusions:

                        1) An innocent baby was murdered and discarded in a shallow grave like it was garbage

                        2) Kidnappers sent ransom notes anyway, knowing the baby was dead, thus creating the cruelty of false hope

                        3) The ransom money was paid, in gold certificates that were being replaced by silver ones to help find the kidnapper if all else failed

                        4) Hauptman had some of these marked gold certificates.

                        5) The ransom notes were in his writing, syntax, and spelling. I have read that the handwriting match was controversial, with some experts convinced Hauptman wrote the ransom letters, and some convinced that it wasn't his writing but an imitator

                        6) Haptman's trial was something of a farce, with his guilt predetermined.

                        7)Hauptmann's fingerprints were not on the wood, even in places that the man who made the ladder would have had to touch. The prosecution refused to believe this and had the ladder wiped clean so they could claim the prints were there.

                        8) Hauptmann turned down a $90,000 offer from a Hearst newspaper for a confession and refused a last-minute offer to commute his execution to a life sentence in exchange for a confession.


                        9) A man who could very well have been innocent was executed

                        10) Lindbergh, America's Hero, said that he could find "no honorable alternative" to resign his commission as a Colonel in the U.S. Army Air Corps after President Roosevelt had publicly questioned his loyalty be cause he said, "America does not have any business attacking Germany." He supported what he called "limited suppression of the Jewish people" which included executions to thin the herd, but thought Hitler insane and the Final Solution going too far and too cruel.

                        11) To this day, people claim to be the Lindbergh baby.

                        Closing interesting fact: Lindbergh had three secret families, and had three children by one lady, two by her sister, and two by a third woman. He and his wife Ann Morrow had five other children besides Lindbergh, Jr. Go figure
                        Last edited by RavenDarkendale; 04-13-2013, 01:35 PM.
                        And the questions always linger, no real answer in sight

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                        • #27
                          My only problem with family cover-up theories, even though a lot of them make sense, is that I don't see the family dumping their baby in the dirt like that. I don't see someone who cared for that child doing that, so that includes the household staff that would most likely be involved. Which isn't to say it was a stranger, but if it was Charles, Anne, or the nanny, I see the child being disposed of with more respect and care. Wrapped in a blanket, placed where he would be found easily so they could bury him properly. That's what I would expect.
                          The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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                          • #28
                            One reason I think Hauptmann acted alone in the kidnapping is because the ladder was left at the scene. This was presumably a folding ladder and if there had been two men on the job, why not take down the folding ladder. It was brought there so why not fold it up and bring it back. I think it was because the lone kidnapper's hands were full.

                            Mike
                            huh?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by The Good Michael View Post
                              One reason I think Hauptmann acted alone in the kidnapping is because the ladder was left at the scene. This was presumably a folding ladder and if there had been two men on the job, why not take down the folding ladder. It was brought there so why not fold it up and bring it back. I think it was because the lone kidnapper's hands were full.
                              That's certainly possible.

                              But once the kidnapping was achieved, even if it was 2 men, their goal would be to get away from the crime scene as fast as possible.

                              So why bother running with a cumbersome folding ladder that had already broken?

                              Hauptmann seemed to be an intelligent man, and a skilled carpenter. One would think he would know how to build a ladder that could at least bear his weight. The fact that it didn't bear a man's weight is why the baby's head was badly injured, causing his rapid death, and obviously jeopardizing the entire ransom concept.

                              I don't think the baby's death was intended. In such a high-profile and high-risk crime one would think the plotters could have come up with a more reliable ladder- the whole plot of kidnapping the baby from his room depended on the ladder.

                              The whole case is very convoluted.

                              As has been mentioned, the public, the media, and law enforcement were highly prejudiced against Hauptmann from the start. Besides being an immigrant, he was actually a veteran of WWI, having been drafted into the German Army. The horrors of WWI were a very recent memory for the American public, as they were for the whole world. German military aggression was blamed as the cause of the war, and the many millions of deaths. So being both an immigrant and an "enemy Hun" only increased the prejudice against Hauptmann.

                              Best regards,
                              Archaic

                              PS: Thanks Graham, you're right, it was Violet Sharpe who committed suicide, not Betty Gow. I was going from memory. Some people thought Violet and a "young man" might have been involved in the kidnapping; hence her suicide when it all went wrong and the baby died. Not sure if any researchers still believe that today; do you know?

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                              • #30
                                Archaic,

                                The ladder was a pretty inventive thing. It must have taken quite a bit of time to build it. Why leave something that can be traced? And it was traced and was connected to Hauptmann. I think two men would have easily dismantled it and put it pack in the truck they must have brought

                                Mike
                                huh?

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