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jukka ruskeeahde
5th October 2007, 04:37 PM
Hello you all!
Like I have told earlier, I first met this case in the 1970's. At the time, when they were chasing the Yorkshire Ripper and JtR was shortly mentioned in the articles.
At the time I made a conclusion, that Jack the Ripper must have been a copper!
However, I'm not convinced about that anymore. Still, I thought it to be worth a thread!
Any points for and against, dear fellow-members?
All the best
Jukka
John B
5th October 2007, 05:31 PM
In The Victorian Underworld - a 1970 Pelican paperback by Kellow Chesney, the author includes a brief glossary of underworld slang and terms. One of which is 'jack - a detective', expanded in greater length by Eric Partridge in his Dictionary of the Underworld.
So Jack the Ripper was a policeman after all.
sreid
5th October 2007, 05:44 PM
If he was a copper, I doubt that he would have done it on duty and in uniform. It would explain why the women seemed to trust him, that is if he was a local policeman. There are other types who would also appear to be nonthreatening.
Stan
Limehouse
5th October 2007, 05:55 PM
I think it is a theory worthy of further study. A policeman, if local, would have had a detailed knowledge of the streets and the police beats, making it easier for him to dodge the nearest man on duty.
In addition, if Jack was a policeman, he may have had more inside knowledge of the direction of the investigation and may have been able to influence that investigation in some small way.
PerryMason
5th October 2007, 08:19 PM
Hi all,
Its still an interesting thought Jukka.
-Knowldege of Police beats and stations
-Knowledge of local thoroughfares and alleys
-Knowldege of where unfortunates worked at nights
-Knowledge of processes and procedures used by police
-Likely a fit man, physically strong
-Uniform would ally fears of the women, and a regular beat in the area might extend that air of confidence in his presence even if plain clothed when he meets his victims.
-May have knowldege of holds or grips used to incapacitate the villians
-Would work odd hours
-Would be aware of police measures used to capture him
-Would know whether beats were left or right handed....important at Mitre Square perhaps
-Could linger near murder scenes if in uniform when commiting the deeds, perhaps even preside over one
-He might be seen near murder scenes by other cops, but not considered as the culprit as he is with the "good guys"
Theres a few good reasons to suspect the killer made the victims feel safe before he attacks, a uniform might be one of those ways he does that perhaps.
My best regards all.
apwolf
5th October 2007, 10:12 PM
Er... the postulation is that a working prostitute would feel 'safe' if approached by a working policeman in his uniform?
I'd respectfully suggest that a working Whitechapel prostitute of the Late Victorian Period would firstly brain said copper in uniform with an empty ginger beer bottle and then kick him in his truncheon sheath.
PerryMason
5th October 2007, 10:43 PM
Er... the postulation is that a working prostitute would feel 'safe' if approached by a working policeman in his uniform?
I'd respectfully suggest that a working Whitechapel prostitute of the Late Victorian Period would firstly brain said copper in uniform with an empty ginger beer bottle and then kick him in his truncheon sheath.
You are probably right in almost every circumstance AP, but by the Double Event, I think mistrust took a backseat to fear. The idea they had was that the police were never around when needed, but sure to be there if it means causing grief to the locals or supressing their rights, ....but at 3am around Oct 2nd, 1888... Ill bet they were even a welcome sight to a woman out on her own.
My best regards.
mikey559
6th October 2007, 08:53 AM
From my own experience in Law Enforcement, there were always a couple of Cops that would bug the working girls for a freebie in exchange for "looking the other way"". It disgusted me and I know that the girls did NOT like to see a Cop coming, so I don't think there would be any kind of trust for them. On the other hand, a Cop would know the territory, would be familiar with the working girls and would know the other PC's timing. So, I will admit only that it could be a possibility, however, in my mind only a slight one.
Mikey
5th October 2007, 04:37 PM
Hello you all!
Like I have told earlier, I first met this case in the 1970's. At the time, when they were chasing the Yorkshire Ripper and JtR was shortly mentioned in the articles.
At the time I made a conclusion, that Jack the Ripper must have been a copper!
However, I'm not convinced about that anymore. Still, I thought it to be worth a thread!
Any points for and against, dear fellow-members?
All the best
Jukka
John B
5th October 2007, 05:31 PM
In The Victorian Underworld - a 1970 Pelican paperback by Kellow Chesney, the author includes a brief glossary of underworld slang and terms. One of which is 'jack - a detective', expanded in greater length by Eric Partridge in his Dictionary of the Underworld.
So Jack the Ripper was a policeman after all.
sreid
5th October 2007, 05:44 PM
If he was a copper, I doubt that he would have done it on duty and in uniform. It would explain why the women seemed to trust him, that is if he was a local policeman. There are other types who would also appear to be nonthreatening.
Stan
Limehouse
5th October 2007, 05:55 PM
I think it is a theory worthy of further study. A policeman, if local, would have had a detailed knowledge of the streets and the police beats, making it easier for him to dodge the nearest man on duty.
In addition, if Jack was a policeman, he may have had more inside knowledge of the direction of the investigation and may have been able to influence that investigation in some small way.
PerryMason
5th October 2007, 08:19 PM
Hi all,
Its still an interesting thought Jukka.
-Knowldege of Police beats and stations
-Knowledge of local thoroughfares and alleys
-Knowldege of where unfortunates worked at nights
-Knowledge of processes and procedures used by police
-Likely a fit man, physically strong
-Uniform would ally fears of the women, and a regular beat in the area might extend that air of confidence in his presence even if plain clothed when he meets his victims.
-May have knowldege of holds or grips used to incapacitate the villians
-Would work odd hours
-Would be aware of police measures used to capture him
-Would know whether beats were left or right handed....important at Mitre Square perhaps
-Could linger near murder scenes if in uniform when commiting the deeds, perhaps even preside over one
-He might be seen near murder scenes by other cops, but not considered as the culprit as he is with the "good guys"
Theres a few good reasons to suspect the killer made the victims feel safe before he attacks, a uniform might be one of those ways he does that perhaps.
My best regards all.
apwolf
5th October 2007, 10:12 PM
Er... the postulation is that a working prostitute would feel 'safe' if approached by a working policeman in his uniform?
I'd respectfully suggest that a working Whitechapel prostitute of the Late Victorian Period would firstly brain said copper in uniform with an empty ginger beer bottle and then kick him in his truncheon sheath.
PerryMason
5th October 2007, 10:43 PM
Er... the postulation is that a working prostitute would feel 'safe' if approached by a working policeman in his uniform?
I'd respectfully suggest that a working Whitechapel prostitute of the Late Victorian Period would firstly brain said copper in uniform with an empty ginger beer bottle and then kick him in his truncheon sheath.
You are probably right in almost every circumstance AP, but by the Double Event, I think mistrust took a backseat to fear. The idea they had was that the police were never around when needed, but sure to be there if it means causing grief to the locals or supressing their rights, ....but at 3am around Oct 2nd, 1888... Ill bet they were even a welcome sight to a woman out on her own.
My best regards.
mikey559
6th October 2007, 08:53 AM
From my own experience in Law Enforcement, there were always a couple of Cops that would bug the working girls for a freebie in exchange for "looking the other way"". It disgusted me and I know that the girls did NOT like to see a Cop coming, so I don't think there would be any kind of trust for them. On the other hand, a Cop would know the territory, would be familiar with the working girls and would know the other PC's timing. So, I will admit only that it could be a possibility, however, in my mind only a slight one.
Mikey
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