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Old 11-03-2015, 07:52 PM
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^ Thank you very much, Debra. It was John, not William, my bad! I wonder why Maria and William Harvey drop out of census and other records. Death for either or both, a marriage for Maria, perhaps?

Sorry, Jeff, just a brief mention in Lloyds newspaper that John Harvey aged six had been knocked over by a cart in Commercial Road and taken to the London hospital. It probably wasn't unusual in those days, unsupervised young children playing among the carts and dashing about in the traffic.
Thanks Rosella. I thought it might have been part of a series of incidents that showed someone might have been going after Mary and her kids.

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>>No child living or staying with MJK during the night of 8/9 November means no Dr Gabe attending because of that child, which is all I am really saying.<<

I think your article presents a credible, even likely reason for Dr. Gabe attending in another capacity.

But the possibility, remote that it might be, that the rumour of a child being involved may have prompted authorities to contact a child doctor still exists.

There was also the stories that Mary Kelly was pregnant, which was possibly why an obstetrician (Dukes) was called in.

In the end five doctors does seems a bit of overkill.
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Rocky, it's not even clear if these two boys and this Maria Harvey are connected to Mary Kelly the JTR victim at all. It's just that the Maria that Debra tracked had two boys, seems of right approximate age and was desperately poor. Like a lot of destitute men and women in Victorian England she seems to have been in and out of workhouses/charity wards on a fairly consistent basis. If Debra has tracked her (and one son) to around 1890 that's too late for her to be the Pinchin Torso, isn't it?
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In the end five doctors does seems a bit of overkill.
Well it depends on the order in which they turned up.

If the three local doctors were there first (Dukes and Gabe having been summoned by Phillips), followed by Brown then Bond (sent there by Scotland Yard), it makes perfect sense without being 'overkill'.
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There was also the stories that Mary Kelly was pregnant, which was possibly why an obstetrician (Dukes) was called in
Or why a gynaecologist was called in, as mentioned in my article.
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the rumour of a child being involved may have prompted authorities to contact a child doctor
To me, Dusty, that doesn't make any sense. Leaving aside the problem that authorities don't normally act on rumours, why would a child 'being involved' prompt them to contact a doctor? If the rumour was that the child was sick then maybe (although any doctor could have dealt with a sick child), but just 'involved', no. And if Gabe was there because of a child why did he view MJK's body?
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But the possibility, remote that it might be,
One can always throw up all kinds of theoretical possibilities, of course, maybe Dr Gabe was involved in a secret sexual relationship with MJK, maybe he killed her, but there doesn't seem to be any point in airing them if they aren't credible and are unsupported by any evidence. The point I was arguing against was Simon Wood saying in his book that there is 'little doubt' that Dr Gabe was there because of a child, which is unsustainable.
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Or the good doctor was just nosy.

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Or the good doctor was just nosy.
If that's intended to be a sensible post then the same could be said for Dr Dukes.
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If that's intended to be a sensible post then the same could be said for Dr Dukes.
Perfectly sensible. Even doctors are human. There don't have to be mysterious reasons for everything. Sometimes the answer is simple. He was nearby and curious.

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