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I have always considered Donald Trump to be a loud mouthed, obnoxious, buffoon and I would never consider voting for him. But I did watch him speak at a recent rally and I do understand his appeal for certain people. He is entertaining, I will give him that. And he says what he thinks which is refreshing. The comparisons to Hitler were kind of scary however.

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As an outsider (a Brit) i understand exactly what you mean, he has charisma that is certain, but he comes across as uneducated, or perhaps its just ignorant on many issues.

unfortunately this is what you get with the American system, ability to do a job comes second to the ability to fund a campaign.
It never ceases to amaze me that it appears to be impossible to stand for the highest officer unless your are you disgustingly wealthy.

Thats just the the view of An Outsider, with no wish to offend either party in the USA.
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Feel free to offend both parties. They both deserve it.

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Outsider here, too. (Canadian)

My problem is that Cruz scares me as much as Trump.
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I LOVE offending both parties at every possible moment but that's neither here nor there. Trump is an ass-hat. Though I think social media and so many news outlets writing off his voters and rally attendees as just racists or fascists is a mistake and a fairly large one. Yes, he has more than his fair share of those idiots but he appeals very much to the blue collar segments, his speeches focus heavily on trade and reviving industries that are still dragging or being shipped out of the US. Much of the blue collar segment is still having a pretty rough time and are aware that another downturn is coming. The main arms of both the Dems and Reps have pretty much ignored them for a good while when it comes to policies and only give them lip service when its election time.
Sanders should have made a much stronger play for that group, instead of focusing on college and farther left areas as much as he has. Those groups would have listened to him anyway, he could have eased off them and shifted focus to blue collar earlier.
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I have never been for Trump (the guys I'm for keep dropping out) but it is funny to see how the Democrats are cowed by him.
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Outsider here, too. (Canadian)

My problem is that Cruz scares me as much as Trump.

They all scare me. except Kasich.

full disclosure-American here. registered Independent. I don't fit with Republican or democratic as I feel strongly for and against many issues on both sides. There isn't a party that fits me.

but they scare me, or at least make me nervous.

Trump-too controversial. egomaniac, says (and maybe believes?) things that are simply unconstitutional.

Cruz-way to conservative. hard to read his true personality. and if other politicians don't even like him-yikes.

Rubio-vacuous pretty boy. cant or wont even do his job in the senate. too inexperienced.

Hillary-a flat out liar. she only wants the job because she reeeeeally wants the job (and for personal power reasons only sad to say). Her and her husband have serious moral deficiancies.

Sanders-truly a good guy, but a socialist. Darn.


Kasich is the only one Id feel OK with but unfortunately he dosnt have a chance.
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They all scare me. except Kasich.

full disclosure-American here. registered Independent. I don't fit with Republican or democratic as I feel strongly for and against many issues on both sides. There isn't a party that fits me.

but they scare me, or at least make me nervous.

Trump-too controversial. egomaniac, says (and maybe believes?) things that are simply unconstitutional.

Cruz-way to conservative. hard to read his true personality. and if other politicians don't even like him-yikes.

Rubio-vacuous pretty boy. cant or wont even do his job in the senate. too inexperienced.

Hillary-a flat out liar. she only wants the job because she reeeeeally wants the job (and for personal power reasons only sad to say). Her and her husband have serious moral deficiancies.

Sanders-truly a good guy, but a socialist. Darn.


Kasich is the only one Id feel OK with but unfortunately he dosnt have a chance.

Dear Abby, there is nothing wrong with being a Socialist. And actually Sanders is not. however he would fit into the middle of the British labour party, certainly not the left wing bit of it.
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Sanders-truly a good guy, but a socialist. Darn.
Great thing about our system, it doesn't matter if Sanders is a socialist as long as Congress isn't.
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They all scare me. except Kasich.

full disclosure-American here. registered Independent. I don't fit with Republican or democratic as I feel strongly for and against many issues on both sides. There isn't a party that fits me.

but they scare me, or at least make me nervous.

Trump-too controversial. egomaniac, says (and maybe believes?) things that are simply unconstitutional.

Cruz-way to conservative. hard to read his true personality. and if other politicians don't even like him-yikes.

Rubio-vacuous pretty boy. cant or wont even do his job in the senate. too inexperienced.

Hillary-a flat out liar. she only wants the job because she reeeeeally wants the job (and for personal power reasons only sad to say). Her and her husband have serious moral deficiancies.

Sanders-truly a good guy, but a socialist. Darn.


Kasich is the only one Id feel OK with but unfortunately he dosnt have a chance.
I believe Bernie Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist, which is exactly how Tony Blair identified his political position, although he also said he was just as happy being referred to as a social democrat. In reality, however, he was probably neither!

I find it interesting how political labels can become confusing. For instance, liberalism, or classic liberalism, in 19th century Britain was essentially a right wing philosophy, espoused by the likes of John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith- The Adam Smith institute today is a right wing economic think tank-and advocating individual freedoms, free markets and minimal government.

I also tend to agree with with Michael Bloomberg, who I think would have made a good candidate: Trump is extreme, and Cruz no less so, although he's less "bombastic."

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