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Old 10-23-2013, 08:11 AM
Amanda Sumner Amanda Sumner is offline
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Default Jack the Ripper At Last? by Helena Wojtczak

I'm a new member on here, and I noticed that Helena Wojtczak is a member on here too. I've read one of her books, which was excellent, and I've been aware for some time that she is writing a book on George Chapman and his crimes. I believe it's about to be published very soon.
I am very interested in George Chapman, first and foremost because he was a murderer, and I'm very interested in crime,and secondly because one of his victims was an ancestor of mine. Maud Marsh was my grandmother's cousin, and her grandmother was my great, great grandmother.
I know about George's crimes fairly well, he was nick named the 'Borough Poisoner' but I've never been totally convinced that he was Jack the Ripper.
It will be interesting to read Ms Wojtczak's stance on this case and how he fits in as a candidate, if at all. As I know she is a historical writer rather than a criminal one, her book will be very factual, no doubt, and it will be a refreshing change to read it from a historian's point of view. I am really looking forward to reading this. It should be interesting to learn about things that I don't know and Chapman's crimes are fascinating in themselves, in my opinion. There is an air of mystery about him, I think, so I am eager to find out more and about poor Maud too.

What do others think?
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:36 PM
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Well it gets a thumbs up from me for having a question mark in the title, which is a nice piece of restraint in Ripperworld.
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:02 PM
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Hello Robert,
Yes, the question mark is intriguing isn't it? Was he or wasn't he?
For me, personally, I am more interested in his story than whether he was the Ripper or not but it will be interesting to read what the author's conclusions are.
I am quite happy to be persuaded either way but I have always felt, based on what I know, that the two are not the same man. I shall reserve any further opinion until I've read the book.
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Old 10-27-2013, 03:16 PM
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I've just re read Philip sugdens excellent book and his examination of Chapman is very good.Here we have a suspect who we know has killed has been violent towards women would have resided in the area had some surgical training and when he departs area murders stop very interesting indeed
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Old 10-27-2013, 03:43 PM
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I've just re read Philip sugdens excellent book and his examination of Chapman is very good.Here we have a suspect who we know has killed has been violent towards women would have resided in the area had some surgical training and when he departs area murders stop very interesting indeed
But in 1888 he had not killed

His later murders were as a passive poisoner.

Can someone change from being a serial mutilator to being a passive poisoner I think not.

Half the men of London probably showed violence towards a woman at some point.

To many suspects have been propped up with these same tenuos statements
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Old 10-27-2013, 03:50 PM
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But in 1888 he had not killed

His later murders were as a passive poisoner.

Can someone change from being a serial mutilator to being a passive poisoner I think not.

Half the men of London probably showed violence towards a woman at some point.

To many suspects have been propped up with these same tenuos statements
Hi Trevor, I know he was a poisoner and yes it is a big if to put him forward as our killer but the fact he was capable of murder does make him stand out from some of the truely awfully suspects we have been offerd over the years.It's certainly more plausible then a diary discoverd by a drunk in Liverpool also we don't have to suffer a royal coach again!.
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Hi Trevor, I know he was a poisoner and yes it is a big if to put him forward as our killer but the fact he was capable of murder does make him stand out from some of the truely awfully suspects we have been offerd over the years.It's certainly more plausible then a diary discoverd by a drunk in Liverpool also we don't have to suffer a royal coach again!.
Not enough to make him a suspect simply another person of interest based on what is currently known.

Its time people woke up and realized exactly what is needed for someone to be classed as a suspect.
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Not enough to make him a suspect simply another person of interest based on what is currently known.

Its time people woke up and realized exactly what is needed for someone to be classed as a suspect.
I think we can sum him up as perhaps one of the best out of a bad bunch of suspects
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I think we can sum him up as perhaps one of the best out of a bad bunch of suspects
Totally disagree he only get a mention via Abberline and that is simply an uncorroborated opinion of an ageing police officer in later years. Not one scrap of evidence up until that point.

Un corroborated opinions do not make the person mentioned a prime suspect

Its only ripper researchers with vested interests in him who have elevated him to prime suspect over the years.
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Old 10-28-2013, 02:08 AM
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I agree with Mr. Marriot. Yet disagree. If a serial type case such as this was/had occuring/ed and Trevor said, " Hey, this fellow just might be our fellow." I would take it under serious consideration. A seasoned fella with a feeling is not to be dismissed. That's their business. It does NOT result in perfect results, but if you want some milk a cow isn't the worst place to start. If ya dig?
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