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Old 07-02-2014, 08:44 PM
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Hi MayBea
Yes - I think you're right. I'm sent you PM with additional names
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:23 PM
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Thanks, Craig. But before we continue with the Emily Louisas, here's another intriguing possibility: Could Joe Barnett's 'wife' be Caroline Maxwell?

Stan Reid made a joke about it but could she have lied to protect Joe? (Some say it was her husband Henry.)

Her 'husband' Henry died in 1889. He is listed as 52 so born around 1837.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=6812&page=10

I found an interesting Joseph Barnett and Caroline in 1891 so I automatically thought of Maxwell.

There is a possible hit with a Henry Maxwell, lighterman, 'married' to a Mary Ann living in Shadwell on Red Lion Street in 1881 where Joe lived and died. He was born in 1844 in Bermondsey but its only seven years off in age to our Henry.
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:03 PM
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Here is the wife of the only Henry Maxwell living near Whitechapel in 1881:

Mary A. Maxwell

Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse:Henry W. Maxwell
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Wapping
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 19A Red Lion Street
Marital Status:Married
Occupation: Wife
Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Shadwell
Household Members:

Henry W. Maxwell 36 Lighterman, born Bermondsey
Mary A. Maxwell 29
Henry W. Maxwell 10 Bermondsey
George T. Maxwell 8 Wapping
Alfred C. Maxwell 6 Wapping

I can't find him in 1891 so he could be our Henry Maxwell who died in 1889, Caroline's 'husband'.
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Mary Ann Maxwell goes by Martha Maxwell in 1871.

Before that, I believe she was Mary Ann Steers, born Bermondsey 1851, and married in Bermondsey in 1869.
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There's a family tree on Ancestry with Mary Ann Steers/Maxwell. She died in 1908 so she's not our Louisa. She's a widow in St. George in the East in 1901.

She and Henry W. Maxwell are not found in 1891 and there's no date of death for Henry so I'm guessing he could still be in the running as Caroline Maxwell's 'husband' if he left Mary Ann. A lighterman and a "night watchman" are not that far apart, are they?
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A lighterman and a "night watchman" are not that far apart, are they?
To answer my own question, a lighterman has nothing to do with lights. He's actually a boatman. A lighter in a boat. http://dl.tufts.edu/catalog/tei/tuft.../chapter/c14s3

So I don't think I have the right Henry Maxwell. His son Alfred Charles marries in 1896 and Henry is still listed as a lighterman and not listed as deceased. Our Henry died in 1889.
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Here's a Henry Maxwell who's a night watchman

1881 Census

Henry Maxwell
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Ellen Maxwell
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Gillingham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 64 Fox St
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Night Watchman
Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham

Ellen Maxwell 49, Accrington, Lancashire
John A. Maxwell 18
Francis Maxwell 12
Samuel Maxwell 10
William H. Maxwell 7
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Update: Scratch this Henry Maxwell, night watchman, I posted above! He is still alive in 1891 visiting his oldest son John Albert in St. Pancras.

Here's is a Caroline Maxwell sentenced for larceny in 1874:

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about Caroline Maxwell
Name: Caroline Maxwell
Crime: Larceny
Date of Trial: 13 Apr 1874
Trial Year: 1874
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment 3 Months
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Maria may have also gone by the name Mary if she is the 'pal' living in the room opposite Mary Jane's right after the murder, interviewed for this November 11, 1888, Syracuse Herald article.

http://www.casebook.org/press_report...l?printer=true
Actually, the Mary from this November 11 article can't be Maria Harvey. Mary says she heard Mary Kelly singing the night of the murder. This must be Mary Ann Cox.

There's a little girl named Kate living with her. Could this be the child her niece said she had?

http://www.casebook.org/witnesses/w/Mary_Ann_Cox.html

I don't think Cox has been officially identified and I'm brought back to Craig H's theory that she might be Barnett's wife.
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Correction:
It is actually the little red-haired girl, Kate, who said she heard Mary singing in the November 11 article:

"The girl with the red hair did not think it wonderful that no one had heard any sound of the murder. Someone was always drunk and yelling in Miller court, and she rightly guessed that a woman being beaten would make as much noise as one cut up, so that the murder would not be noticed. For her part she was sure to imagine murder in every direction now. She had strong mind, however, had not had any beer and did not cry. She knew positively that Mary Jane was alive at 1 o'clock, for at that hour she had heard her singing "Sweet Violets" to whoever was in her room. "

Perhaps they didn't take Kate's statement at the time of the murder because she was too young.

The friend of Mary Kelly made Kate "swear an oath" to stay with her that night, so she can't really be her daughter. Since she lives directly across from Mary's, I'm thinking this is Julia Venturnay. Cox lived further up the court.
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