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Old 01-19-2011, 10:02 AM
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I am aware of the age discrepancy Kellys Barnett was born in 1858 - but there are nonetheless points in favour of this Joseph Barnett being the same man associated with Mary Kelly. His name is correct the spelling with one t is not unprecedented; he has no evident family in terms of children, but is living with a woman; as is Kellys Barnett in 1911, when he states that he has no children, living or dead; the woman recorded as his wife is the same age as that of his later recorded wife Louisa possibly, although of course not certainly, the same woman under a different name; and he is living in close proximity to all other known addresses for Joseph Barnett from 1906 Tench Street, Red Lion Street, and New Gravel Lane. In fact, Old Gravel Lane is even closer to Tench Street and Red Lion Street than New Gravel Lane . Here is a small plan to show just how close together the known addresses of Joseph Barnett were post-1888:
Very interesting, Sally. Good find.
It does seem like this 1901 entry might be the right Joseph Barnett.

I wonder if the 1911 records for St George in the East workhouse might shed any light on Louisa Barnett?
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Very interesting, Sally. Good find.
It does seem like this 1901 entry might be the right Joseph Barnett.

I wonder if the 1911 records for St George in the East workhouse might shed any light on Louisa Barnett?
Hi Debra

Thanks for your comments.

Interestingly, although 'Louisa Barnett' is quie plainly listed on the 1911 Census as an inmate in Raine Street Infirmary, she does appear to be listed in the admissions and discharges for 1911; or indeed any of the other available records for Raine Street for that time.

I have not given up my seach just yet, but I do find it odd. Where is she? Curiouser and Curiouser!
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Hi Sally,

It is strange.
I checked the Raine Street workhouse Creed register running from 1904 and continuing up 1912 and didn't see an entry for Louisa either.

A woman named Emma Barret threw me a few times though.
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Hi Debra

I have now found Louisa, admitted on Monday 20th March 1911. Year of birth given as 1856. There are no observations on the register. I'll try to get an image posted - I don't know yet when she was discharged, I'm working on it!

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I have now found Louisa, admitted on Monday 20th March 1911. Year of birth given as 1856. There are no observations on the register. I'll try to get an image posted - I don't know yet when she was discharged, I'm working on it!

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Discharged on April 19th 1911 to own residence - which as we know, was 60 Red Lion Street.
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Well done, Sally!

It's a pity there aren't more details on her though.
I was also hoping there might be an address that confirms she was living at the same address Joseph Barnett was listed at in 1911 found by Mark Ripper...just to tie it up neatly.

Thanks for taking the trouble to trawl these records.
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Hi Debra

I will keep on searching, see if I can add anything further to the picture. I do wonder if 'Louisa' is also 'Emily' - the birth year is the same - which of course could be coincidence - but on the other hand, I am well aware of the snares of the historic record - the census particularly. How often did people (apparently at random!) use their middle name - or even a totally different name? I have encountered this in my own family - it's a bugger!

Just speculation really at this stage, but we could have a Louisa Emily, or an Emily Louisa. Having said that, I haven't come across any likely candidates so far

Only time will tell!
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Hi. Does anyone have information on where Barnett was buried??
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The admission and discharge register of the Raine Street Infirmary for the year 1899-1900 records the following:

Joseph Barnett: b.1859
Date of admission: 25th November 1899
Malady: Gout
Date of discharge: 22nd January 1900
Reason: Own Desire

Given the census entry for 1901, it would appear that this may be the same Joseph Barnett - his age given here much closer to that of Kelly's Barnett.

The further I go with this, the more I think it's the same man.

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Hello All. Here is a different account of Barnett. It is from the "Mercury" November 17, 1888.

Debs Arif has confirmed for me some unusual data here:

1. It is worded in such a way that Kelly is suggested as possibly HIS name.

2. It seems to suggests some abuse in the relationship.

3. It claims that he is employed by the Spitalfields market.

Surely not all these are correct? I notice that the journalist has Mary Ann Nichols dying at #35 Hanbury. Perhaps a conflating of various sources at work here?

(Part 2 in next post.)

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