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Kelly inquest: Coroner: Did you hear beds or tables being pulled about?

Walter Dew, I Caught Crippen:

"On the bed, which was drawn obliquely across the small room, was all that remained of a good-looking and buxom young woman..."


Sheffield Daily Telegraph 12th Nov 1888 & Kirkintilloch Herald 14th Nov 1888 + MJK3:
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Oh my dear boy, are we believing what journalists write in newspapers now?
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Previous paragraph in the same report from the Sheffield Daily Telegraph of 12 Nov 1888:

'The non appearance of the bloodhounds was afterwards accounted for. During the recent trials in Surrey the animals bolted, and, it is understood, have not been accounted for.'

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We can rely on unsourced and unsubstantiated newspaper reports or we can rely on the official inquest sources and the sworn testimony of the first person into the room, Dr Philips:

'On the door being opened it knocked against a table, the table I found close to the left-hand side of the bedstead and the bedstead was close up against the wooden partition...'

That of course is perfectly consistent with the coroner thinking that the table and the bedstead might have been slightly pulled about.
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Oh my dear boy, are we believing what journalists write in newspapers now?
"We" I take it is you since you say "we believing" and obviously know nothing about what I believe or not.

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"We" I take it is you since you say "we believing" and obviously know nothing about what I believe or not.
Not me my dear boy, not since you gave me a lecture about how those ghastly journalists fabricate stories to sell newspapers in order to make money - so I know you would never place any reliance on them.
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We can rely on unsourced and unsubstantiated newspaper reports or we can rely on the official inquest sources and the sworn testimony of the first person into the room, Dr Philips:

'On the door being opened it knocked against a table, the table I found close to the left-hand side of the bedstead and the bedstead was close up against the wooden partition...'

That of course is perfectly consistent with the coroner thinking that the table and the bedstead might have been slightly pulled about.
We donīt need to rely on sources. But we know they exist.

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Not me my dear boy, not since you gave me a lecture about how those ghastly journalists fabricate stories to sell newspapers in order to make money - so I know you would never place any reliance on them.
I have never used the words "ghastly" or "fabricate". Those are your words.

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We donīt need to rely on sources. But we know they exist.
Yes we do, my dear boy, and the sources tell us that when the door to Kelly's room was opened, it knocked against a table, not the bed.
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I have never used the words "ghastly" or "fabricate". Those are your words.
Oh yes my dear boy, they are my words summarising your lecture.
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