D-Day

[Rosella]

I have often thought that no other nation's soldiers, (except perhaps the Russians, ironically,) would have stuck it out at the Seige of Stalingrad for as long as the Germans did.

[Pcdunn]

"Debunking the Myths of D-Day" article by James Holland

D-Day: Debunking the myths of the Normandy landings

[by] James Holland

Updated 9:23 AM ET, Mon June 6, 2016

(CNN)Anniversaries are useful moments to pause and reflect. For the anniversary of D-Day -- June 6, 1944 -- and subsequent campaign in northern France, it is also an opportunity to look at the past in detail and ask how much of what we think we know is true and how much is well-entrenched myth. Not only is it more interesting, it is also of greater worth as we plan for the future and pray there will never be a conflict like World War II again.

1. MYTH: D-Day was predominantly an American operation

REALITY: For many people, D-Day is defined by the bloodshed at Omaha -- the codename for one of the five beaches where Allied forces landed -- and the American airborne drops. Even in Germany, the perception is still that D-Day was a largely American show; in a German TV mini-series shown in recent years, "Generation War," there was a reference to the "American landings" in France.

But despite "Band of Brothers," despite "Saving Private Ryan," despite those 11 photographs taken by Robert Capa in the swell on that morning of June 6 1944, D-Day was not a predominantly American effort. Rather, it was an Allied effort with, if anything, Britain taking the lead. Yes, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, the supreme Allied commander, was American, but his deputy, Air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Tedder was British, as were all three service chiefs. Air Marshal Sir Arthur "Mary" Coningham, commander of the tactical air forces, was also British.
The plan for Operation Overlord -- as D-Day was codenamed -- was largely that of Gen. Bernard Montgomery, the land force commander. The Royal Navy had overall responsibility for Operation Neptune, the naval plan. Of the 1,213 warships involved, 200 were American and 892 were British; of the 4,126 landing craft involved, 805 were American and 3,261 were British.
When World War II brought women to battlefield
When World War II brought women to battlefield
Indeed, 31% of all U.S. supplies used during D-Day came directly from Britain, while two-thirds of the 12,000 aircraft involved were also British, as were two-thirds of those that landed in occupied France. Despite the initial slaughter at Omaha, casualties across the American and British beaches were much the same. This is not to belittle the U.S. effort but rather to add context and a wider, 360-degree view. History needs to teach as well as entertain.

2. MYTH: American forces were ill-prepared
REALITY: By the end of World War II the United States had the best armed services in the world. The 77-day Normandy campaign did much to help them reach this point.
Northern France was a showcase for American tactical and operational flexibility. At the start of the campaign, the Americans found themselves fighting through the Norman "bocage," an area of small fields lined with thick, raised hedgerows and narrow, sunken lanes. They hadn't trained for this; instead they expected that the Germans would quickly retreat after a successful Allied landing.
For the Germans, the bocage offered cover and ambush opportunities for mortar teams and machine guns. Even the American 30-ton Sherman tanks couldn't get through these hedgerows. Then a U.S. sergeant came up with the ingenious solution of attaching a hedge-cutting tool built from German beach obstacles to the front of a Sherman. Gen. Omar Bradley, the U.S. First Army commander, was impressed; within a fortnight, the device had been fitted to 60% of all U.S. Shermans in Normandy.
This was but one example. During the campaign huge developments also were made in close air support, as well as in coordination between infantry, artillery and armor. Medical services advanced so much that one in four casualties returned to the battlefield after treatment, remarkable for 1944.

3. MYTH: The Allies became bogged down in Normandy
REALITY: In the pre-invasion estimates for the Normandy campaign, the Allies expected to be roughly 50 miles inland after 17 days, based on German retreats in North Africa and Italy. But Adolf Hitler ordered his forces to fight as close to the French coast as possible and not give an inch.
On paper it seemed that the Allies weren't making much progress, but in reality the German strategy worked to the Allies' advantage as they pounded the enemy with offshore naval guns. For by 1944 the Allies had realized that German tactics -- which dated back more than 100 years -- were rigidly predictable. Striking back once the enemy had overextended itself was central to German DNA throughout World War II. The Allies soon realized that this penchant for counterattack meant that the Germans would eventually move into the open and get hammered.

By the end of the Normandy campaign the Germans were hemorrhaging men and machines, with two armies all but destroyed. True, a handful of Germans did escape the attempted encirclement around Falaise, but it was still a massive Allied victory. In the rapid advance that followed, the Allies moved more quickly than Germans had in the opposite direction four years before, during the invasion of France.

4. MYTH: German soldiers were better trained than their Allied counterparts
REALITY: At the start of World War II the best German units were more than a match for their Allied opposition -- but by 1944 that had changed radically. There were a few exceptions, such as the Panzer Lehr, but come D-Day most German units were not as well trained as the Allies.
Some Allied units in Normandy had been preparing for four years for this campaign. In contrast, many German troops had had little more than a few weeks' notice. The German ad hoc battle groups known as kampfgruppen are traditionally regarded as showcasing tactical flexibility, but even these were borne of extreme shortages and desperation toward the end of the war.
The German paratroopers, or fallschirmjäger, were acknowledged to be among the best of their armed forces, yet one veteran I interviewed recalled how he had barely any training, save a few route marches and practice at laying mines. He never trained with a tank, had no transport and had to march 200 miles from Brittany when sent to the front. His case was not atypical: All infantry divisions in Normandy were expected to move by either foot or horse-drawn cart. The veteran I spoke to reached Saint-Lô, a major Normandy town, on June 12 with a company of 120 men. When he was captured on August 19 he was one of just nine men still standing.
The Germans had a doctrine during World War II called auftragstaktik -- best described as the ability to use one's initiative -- which has been hailed as what set their soldiers apart. But the paratrooper I spoke to knew nothing of it. By that stage of the war, German training was so skimpy that it was impossible to implement.

5. MYTH: The Germans had stronger tactical skills
REALITY: The dogged determination of the Germans to fight during D-Day is often confused with tactical skill. It shouldn't. The best analogy is with more recent conflicts like Afghanistan or even Vietnam, when Western forces had the best training and kit yet struggled to defeat a massively inferior enemy. As the Taliban have shown, it is very difficult to completely defeat your enemy if they don't want to be defeated. The only way to do that is to kill them all.
This is why the Germans took so long to be defeated in Normandy and, subsequently, despite a lack of training, they were still a very dangerous and deadly enemy with plenty of powerful weapons and a fierce determination to keep fighting. This was for a number of reasons: Nazi indoctrination, a profound sense of duty and the threat of execution for deserters. In World War I the Germans executed 48 men for desertion; during World War II that figure rose to 30,000.

6. MYTH: America and Britain got off lightly in World War II
REALITY: Allied frontline troops suffered horrifically during World War II. Democracies such as Britain and America tried to achieve victory with as few casualties as possible. For the most part, they did this very successfully using technology and machinery to shield lives wherever they could.
However, short distances still had to be won by the infantry, tank units and artillery. Although technology meant the Allies needed fewer forces than a generation earlier, those in the firing line still pulled the very short straw. Losses to frontline troops were proportionally worse during the 77-day Normandy campaign than they were during the major battles along the Western Front during World War I.


James Holland is a historian, writer and broadcaster, whose books include "Fortress Malta," "Battle of Britain," and "Dam Busters." He has written and presented BAFTA-shortlisted documentaries for the BBC and is currently working on a film about Normandy in 1944. A fellow of the Royal Historical Society, Holland is also co-founder of the Chalke Valley History Festival: several of his World War II interviews are available at griffonmerlin.com. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his. This article was originally published in 2014.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Strange that no one seemed to notice that today was the 67th anniversary of D-Day. Maybe the posters are too young or just don't care, but I care. Were it not for all those Yanks, Brits and Canadians landing at Normandy on this day in 1944 all our lives might be very different.

My Uncle Eddie was there, flying out of Leicestershire to land as part of the 82nd Airborne. He was wounded, but recovered in time to be a part of Operation Market-Garden. He at least came home but far too many who participated in the Normandy landings didn't and what we owe them is incalcuable . . . but for a start it might be a few moments of recognition and thanks.

Don.

For us, the big day of the year is Remembrance Day on the 11th November. This doesn't mean that D-Day is forgotten, it's simply the case that we have chosen that day to remember the people who have sacrificed so much as a part of our armed forces. Probably because WW1 has a special place in the hearts of Britons, certainly among English men and women.

Suffice to say that they were brave men and whatever anyone's politics I think the vast, vast majority of us would agree that any world which tempers the ambitions of the like of the Nazis and the Soviets, is a good world, and for that thanks is most certainly due.

[Mayerling]

For us, the big day of the year is Remembrance Day on the 11th November. This doesn't mean that D-Day is forgotten, it's simply the case that we have chosen that day to remember the people who have sacrificed so much as a part of our armed forces. Probably because WW1 has a special place in the hearts of Britons, certainly among English men and women.

Suffice to say that they were brave men and whatever anyone's politics I think the vast, vast majority of us would agree that any world which tempers the ambitions of the like of the Nazis and the Soviets, is a good world, and for that thanks is most certainly due.

Here the big day should be Memorial Day (which just passed) in honor of our war dead in all wars, but it's timing (due to the start of the Summer period) is extended to the whole weekend, and concentrates on the start of Summer, and sales of various kinds - which cheapens the effect unfortunately. So we also end up using your "Remembrance Day" of November 11th (here now called "Veteran's Day" - and originally called "Armistice Day, as it marked the end of the Great War*) as a second day to recall military veterans and the war dead.

[*The First World War officially stopped at eleven A.M. on the eleventh day of the eleventh month of 1918 - a symbolism that in retrospect was probably rather unfair, as the killing may have continued at least a week more than it rightly should have been going on: the two sides had been discussing the end of hostilities for nearly two months, and both Bulgaria and Turkey had been knocked out by early October, followed by Austria-Hungary. Germany made motions to carry on by ordering out the Grand Fleet, but this led to mutiny at Wilhelmshaven and Kiel, and that signalled the collapse of the government of Kaiser Wilhelm. But I believe he fled to Holland before Nov. 11th.]

Jeff

[Fleetwood Mac]

As long as we rememeber the young GERMAN dead too.

One could argue that the ordinary 'Jerry' fought as hard and as tough as anyone during the battle for Normandy...........but sadly few want to rememeber the ordinary 'Fritz'.

So, spare a thought for them too. Please?

Not quite sure that's true.

When you are standing at your hero’s grave,
Or near some homeless village where he died,
Remember, through your heart’s rekindling pride,
The German soldiers who were loyal and brave.

Men fought like brutes; and hideous things were done;
And you have nourished hatred, harsh and blind.
But in that Golgotha perhaps you’ll find
The mothers of the men who killed your son.


Obviously a WW1 poem, but it suggests people can stretch out a hand to their former opponents.

There were factions within England who couldn't understand how we could fight a war on the side of the Russians against the Germans, who were considered to be a highly civilised people.

And, many British soldiers returning from WW1 noted that they had been fighting on the wrong side. They came back with huge respect for the bravery of German soldiers, and a deep dislike for French peasants and associates who certainly didn't treat British soldiers as friends and allies.

[GUT]

For us, the big day of the year is Remembrance Day on the 11th November. This doesn't mean that D-Day is forgotten, it's simply the case that we have chosen that day to remember the people who have sacrificed so much as a part of our armed forces. Probably because WW1 has a special place in the hearts of Britons, certainly among English men and women.

Suffice to say that they were brave men and whatever anyone's politics I think the vast, vast majority of us would agree that any world which tempers the ambitions of the like of the Nazis and the Soviets, is a good world, and for that thanks is most certainly due.

Rememberence day is invariably observed in Aus too, with a minutes silence at 11:00.