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Old 04-21-2012, 05:50 PM
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Barnett lied? Why not? And, if true, should we really be surprised?

What characterizes the WM is its overwhelming number of dead ends, red herrings, obvious lies and evasions, misrememberings, contradictions, confusions and conflations.

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What would be Barnett's motive for lying, Simon? Fun?
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Hi Debra,

A needle in a haystack.

I agree with you, except that I doubt the presence of a needle.

Like so many other aspects of the Ripper mystery, the quest for Henry/John/Johnto Kelly is a fool's errand.

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I agree totally
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What would be Barnett's motive for lying, Simon? Fun?
Its perhaps not so much a question of Barnett lying its a question of how many lies Kelly told to him.

In the absence of anyone being able to prove anyhting she is alleged to have told him it seems she had fed him a real good old yarn.
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I agree totally
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You also think Barnett lied?
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Its perhaps not so much a question of Barnett lying its a question of how many lies Kelly told to him.

In the absence of anyone being able to prove anyhting she is alleged to have told him it seems she had fed him a real good old yarn.
Our posts crossed.
Simon seems to think Barnett lied though? That's different to what you are saying.
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Hi Debra,

I have absolutely no idea. But please note that I did write "if true".

We choose to believe Barnett about Johnto, yet dismiss his story about MJK having a child in tow.

Are both statements true? Are both statements false? Why should one be true and the other false?

I have a sneaky feeling here that somebody will point blame at the Star newspaper.

Ripperology's a funny old game.

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Which of these two groups- a Whitechapel unfortunate, or a soldier, is more likely to have given a false name?
Whoah, there, Debra. This is straying dangerously close to common sense. You'll be suggesting next that Carrie Maxwell's Kelly sighting was mistaken.
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:14 PM
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Hi All,

Which group indeed?

The Times, 16th October 1888 -

"Up to yesterday the efforts of the detectives had been at fault, owing, as was suggested by the City Solicitor at the inquest, to the fact that Conway had drawn his pension from the 18th Royal Irish Regiment under a false name, that of Thomas Quinn."

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Hi Debra,

I have absolutely no idea. But please note that I did write "if true".

We choose to believe Barnett about Johnto, yet dismiss his story about MJK having a child in tow.

Are both statements true? Are both statements false? Why should one be true and the other false?

I have a sneaky feeling here that somebody will point blame at the Star newspaper.

Ripperology's a funny old game.

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Simon
HiSimon.
The bit about the brother in the Scots Guards is part of his sworn testimony though? Mary having a child is not.
Why wasn't it repeated in the press that her brother was called Johnto by his comrades, though?
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Which group indeed?

The Times, 16th October 1888 -

"Up to yesterday the efforts of the detectives had been at fault, owing, as was suggested by the City Solicitor at the inquest, to the fact that Conway had drawn his pension from the 18th Royal Irish Regiment under a false name, that of Thomas Quinn."

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Simon
We've already had the stats from Wickerman on this, Simon.
1 in 100 gave a false name.
I've actually seen one in the records of the scots Guards, he was found out and his real name recorded in the file.
I bet we can switch those figures for a Whitechapel unfortunate.
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