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Old 10-09-2009, 07:11 PM
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Hi all,

Do you believe that the Whitechapel Murderer deliberately posed his victims? And if so, for his benefit or to shock those who found the body?

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Old 10-09-2009, 07:20 PM
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Hi Honey,

I don't think that there was any need to do so since they were gruesome enough as they were and I don't think that Jack was out to make any kind of statement.

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Old 10-09-2009, 07:50 PM
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OK-There is the common denominator of the 'spread legs' but I think this is a non runner here- perhaps the legs of a cadaver upon it's back fall that way- maybe, but unlikely 100% of the time..

I can't go with a 'positioning' thing- why bother- as cd says the shock value would have been enough and any 'arty' positioning would be lost in the horror of the discovery- surely.Now if they'd been in some bizarre fashion as shown in the Black Dahlia etc etc then maybe we could look at this as a 'signature'.

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Old 10-09-2009, 09:09 PM
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My own opinion, and it is all supposition, is that the first four were not posed, that the positions of the bodies were the result of the murderer doing his "business". I think that he did deliberately pose Mary's body, and that he did it for his own personal pleasure. *shudders*
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I think they were posed, and the the skirts were pulled up above the waist, legs apart.
The only one who was'nt posed was Stride, who was left quickly and and maybe not quite dead, as she was still warm and blood flowing when she was found.
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With the first victims, I feel the Ripper had his choice of how to position himself while doing his cutting- straddle the legs, or spread them and kneel between them, and he simply chose the latter. With Mary Kelly, I think he did pose her inasmuch as he shoved her left hand into her abdominal cavity for whatever reason had meaning for him, but otherwise no.
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Old 10-10-2009, 06:11 PM
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Consider the positions of ACs and MJKs bodies. It seems JTR MUST have posed them.
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:05 PM
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I 've always had a feeling they were posed and i think its to do with motive. I Include Martha Tabrum in this as although the modis operandi was slightly different, the intention behind the cuts and the way the body was laid seems to have the same motive. Her body was described as laid out as if ready for sex, legs bent and wide apsrt, the shirt pulled well up to her waist. Nicholls,Chapman and Eddows were laid out in a similar fashion, and it is interesting the when these bodies were discovered the instinct was, to pull their skirts down.There is a shame thing going on here, not just to mutilate them, but to expose their mutilated private parts.
I think Jack hated women for what ever reason, bad mother, terrible experience with women, destructive childhood, who knows.
The killing is a means to an end, the throat cutting, the quickest way of silencing them, to get to the point he wanted, the dehumanising and humilating of the corpses.
Martha may have been his first, an explosion of anger, thel laying out of the corpse,released something, then becoming more effective, planning his revenge on women. Coolly planning to cut their throats first to achieve his aim.
I 'm sure a lot of people won't agree, but its the only scenario that makes any sense to me. We all have our theories.
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Hi Miss Marple-
IMHO the poor women who were killed were killed in a short amount of time in very often a place that could be on the trail of a) the public or b) the police beat- The possibility of 'Posing' cannot be cosidered surely.
Cut 'em up and quick and be off I say....as did "Jack" IMHO
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:54 PM
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Very funny Suzie.
But as we know now with our knowledge of seriial killers, their motives are never simple,Jack was probably a psychopath,quite organised who enjoyed taking risks. Posing the bodies would take seconds, he'd already spent time cutting without worrying about being caught.
For me the misogyny of the crimes is their most compelling feature.
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