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no I see what your saying-just too much of a coincidence to me.
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Harry may have a point about her clothes being in disarray due to the nature of the attack, as Tabram`s skirt is not described by witnesses as raised or lifted (please correct me if I`m wrong). Yes, they say she looked liked she`d being outraged or something, but not raised.

I don`t agree with Tabram been asleep or passed out on the stairs. Her regular lodging in George Street was about 100 yards from George Yard.
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"The woman was a perfect stranger to witness. Her clothes were all disarranged, as if she had had a struggle with someone" (John Saunders Reeves)

"Her clothes were thrown upwards from the skirt of the dress." (PC Barrett)

In connection with the latter, it should be noted that Tabram was wearing a skirt AND a petticoat, but Barrett only mentioned her skirt having been thrown up.
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"The clothes were turned up as far as the centre of the body, leaving the lower part of the body exposed; the legs were open, and altogether her position was such as to at once suggest in my mind that recent intimacy had taken place."

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Thanks Gareth and Christer
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Hi Abby

Harry may have a point about her clothes being in disarray due to the nature of the attack, as Tabram`s skirt is not described by witnesses as raised or lifted (please correct me if I`m wrong). Yes, they say she looked liked she`d being outraged or something, but not raised.

I don`t agree with Tabram been asleep or passed out on the stairs. Her regular lodging in George Street was about 100 yards from George Yard.
Hi Jon
As others have shown her skirt was raised, just like the others and it’s also the clincher for me to include McKenzie.

Re sleeping- it doesn’t really matter if her regular crash pad was nearby, if your hammered and tired and or without money. Plus witnesses said people crashed their. But I think she was more than likely awake when attacked, the asleep thing is just a thought.
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But I think she was more than likely awake when attacked
Very much awake, if the impression of recent intimacy by (I think) PC Barrett is anything to go by.
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Very much awake, if the impression of recent intimacy by (I think) PC Barrett is anything to go by.
I think that has more to do with the apparent sexual looking positioning of the body with the legs being spread and the skirt hiked up than with the thought that they were scrumping.

Unless of course you think they were having sex lying on the ground when she was killed.
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than with the thought that they were scrumping.
I'd never seen this word in this context - it seems my childhood was far less innocent than I'd thought.
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I'd never seen this word in this context - it seems my childhood was far less innocent than I'd thought.
Indeed. I think I'll have to read Cider With Rosie again...
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Unless of course you think they were having sex lying on the ground when she was killed.
Getting ready for it, perhaps. Of course, lying down, spreading her legs and lifting her skirts is something one might expect a prostitute to do.
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