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Right and why didnt the ripper kill mary kelly and annie chapman out in the street? Pinchin torso dump is just like Berner st. "That'll scare em"? huh what are you a fish
An isolated railway arch is nothing like the busy entrance to a social club at going-home time, or the back doorstep of a densely tenanted house en route to the communal toilets at waking-up-for-work-and-going-for-a-pee time. As for Kelly, she was the only victim with a private room of her own.
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An isolated railway arch is nothing like the busy entrance to a social club at going-home time, or the back doorstep of a densely tenanted house en route to the communal toilets at waking-up-for-work-and-going-for-a-pee time. As for Kelly, she was the only victim with a private room of her own.
Correct sir and the arch was so isolated that there were 3 people right there when the pc found the torso
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:45 AM
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Perhaps "it" is not almost certain, but "I" am almost certain that he/they did, based on an entirely dispassionate consideration of the distribution of the body parts and the nature of the crimes themselves. Taking similar considerations into account, I have good reason to suspect that the Pinchin Street Torso crime was committed by an entirely different person, neither "the" Torso Killer nor Jack the Ripper.
"Perhaps" it is not almost certain? Perhaps?

If you can in any way substatiante how it IS almost certain, then by all means, do so.

If you can´t, then it is not almost certain.

It is that simple, really.
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Correct sir and the arch was so isolated that there were 3 people right there when the pc found the torso
The three people concerned were not in the same archway, and were in various stages of slumber. Even if they were all fully alert, three rough-sleepers are nothing compared with the people who would have used the entrance to the Berner Street Club or the back yard of 29 Hanbury Street. Indeed, being a bit of a backwater, Pinchin Street would have been far less busy at the best of times than either Berner Street or Hanbury Street, and certainly quieter than the overcrowded Dorset Street.
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"Perhaps" it is not almost certain? Perhaps?.
I'm being cautious in the interest of balance. I personally wouldn't qualify it with a "perhaps".
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The three people concerned were not in the same archway, and were in various stages of slumber. Even if they were all fully alert, three rough-sleepers are nothing compared with the people who would have used the entrance to the Berner Street Club or the back yard of 29 Hanbury Street. Indeed, being a bit of a backwater, Pinchin Street would have been far less busy at the best of times than either Berner Street or Hanbury Street, and certainly quieter than the overcrowded Dorset Street.
the men were very close by. what time was the torso found? clearly there were people around the area even in the early hours of the morning.
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I'm being cautious in the interest of balance. I personally wouldn't qualify it with a "perhaps".
Why balance it if you are certain, Gareth? To look objective, although you are not?

Ripperology never seizes to astound me.
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the men were very close by. what time was the torso found? clearly there were people around the area even in the early hours of the morning.
I can only go by what's in the inquest report, Rocky, and it appears that the whole area was, figuratively and literally, rather sleepy at the time, with very few people around. Even today, it remains a very quiet part of the East End.
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Why balance it if you are certain, Gareth? To look objective, although you are not?
It's an opinion I arrive at from a dispassionate (ie objective) consideration of the information, entirely without preconceptions.
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It's an opinion I arrive at from a dispassionate (ie objective) consideration of the information, entirely without preconceptions.
Maybe that´s what you feel. But if this is the case, then why did you say that "perhaps" it was not correct to say that it was almost a certainty that the killer lived in the western parts of London? And you spoke of "balancing" your take, all of a sudden!

That would be because you realized that people may disagree with you on totally fair grounds, right?

Like me, for example, who say that the killer MAY have lived it the west, that he MAY have lived somewhere else and had a bolthole in the west, that he MAY have travelled to the west because he wantes to parts to drift through the metropolis etcetera. All in all, meaning that we cannot BE "almost certain" since we do not have the facts.

It´s not as if you can say that any of my suggestions are wrong. Or as if you can quantify them.

All you can do is to say that you FEEL almost certain and then you must admit that this feeling is to a smaller or larger extent irrational. A hunch, as it were.

There is no escaping this, I´m afraid. Trying to wring the take "almost certain" into a stance of objectivity cannot be done, as it stands.

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