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Old 04-11-2010, 11:08 PM
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"Fuglemas" as in Bird noise?
I've never heard of anybody with that name, and according to statistics nobody with that name exist in Norway..

But it's puzzling what Norwegian name Fogelma was supposed to be, hoax or not..
Folgerø, Follestad or something similar..
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:09 PM
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Hello Diddles,

I thought of Følgelma as well, with variations, but got nowhere with that one either!

The answer may lie in the birth records in Arendal. Sadly, although I live in Sandefjord, my trips along the coast have been limited in recent years.
I do know that the local studies group down that way were preparing a book on local genealogy a few years ago, but the last time I asked, in 2002, it was still in the preparation stages. I have heard nothing since.
Perhaps you know of any further update?
Please pm or email me if you do find out anything, I would be most obliged.

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Old 06-23-2012, 08:14 PM
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Went into the link for all this and saw straight away the problem with the name.
FOLGELMA isn'r a real name

A REAL norwegian Name that DOES fit the English sound is FUGLEMAS

(pronounced.. foolemah..the g is silent, the s is silent, and depending on which dialect it is spoken in, the u sounds like a double o, as in "fool".

There are many people in Norway today with this last name.

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Another possibility is the spelling FUGLEMO.A very common norwegian sirname.No one in norway is as far as I know called FOGELMA!
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:38 PM
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Sorry to dredge this thread up from the catacombs fine friends but I’ve found the boards exceedingly boring of late……..Ah anyway, I don’t believe in the viability of this unspell-able Norwegian nor in clever Trevor’s German sailor but, with the specific sighting of Lawende in mind, and with what we know of the degradation of Grainger and Sadler, how feasible is the general idea of a sailor Jtr?

It seems to me escape to the wharfs may be easier than escape to a bolt hole in Whitechapel. Knives and bloody guts may also be easier to hide on a foul sailing vessel as well…It also appears, assuming somewhat regular stops, that a sailor could become pretty familiar with Whitechapel, especially since drinking and whoring was probably a relatively common pastime among these manly mariners……. Now admittedly, I know little of 19th century sailors and their schedules, habits and accoutrements but I expect others out here know much more..

As I noticed earlier in the thread, research into this area apparently leads into a vast sea of nothingness and perhaps why, with the exception of Trevor, it gets short shrift. Apologies to any others who may have travelled this path….

With that said, it’s hard to deny that 124 years of lockdown in the Parish have yielded much…………….

Ideas, opinions anyone?


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Old 02-05-2013, 11:31 AM
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Could the name have possibly been Fogelman? A quick search for Fogelma on google brought up the Casebook page on him, this thread, and then nothing but Fogelman.

http://www.houseofnames.com/fogelman-family-crest
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:35 AM
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It's may be nothing but Israel Schwartz's witness testimony that the man walked as if partially intoxicated does offer another possibility.
He probably was partially intoxicated,another is that he was a sailor with that peculiar gait sailors sometimes have for a while after being on board a rolling ship .
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Old 10-29-2015, 03:13 AM
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Hi

Went into the link for all this and saw straight away the problem with the name.
FOLGELMA isn'r a real name

A REAL norwegian Name that DOES fit the English sound is FUGLEMAS

(pronounced.. foolemah..the g is silent, the s is silent, and depending on which dialect it is spoken in, the u sounds like a double o, as in "fool".

There are many people in Norway today with this last name.

best wishes

Phil
Very old thread, but I have to correct this. I am myself Norwegian, and I have neither heard of "Fogelma", nor "Fuglemas". There is no reason why that S should be silent, by the way. A quick check with Statistics Norway, www.ssb.no , reveal the following for "Fuglemas":

"There are fewer than 4 or none who has the name "Fuglemas". On the other hand, 196 people are named "Fuglesang" ("birds' song"). "Fuglemo" has 9 registered users, as it were.

That said, I come across Norwegian surnames all the time which I have never encountered before. These are very often related to topography, however, and rarely surprise me. "Fuglemas" does not jive with anything, however.

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