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Old 05-27-2012, 11:08 PM
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Hi all and please be gentle as its my first post

I was browsing Ebay for a fancy dress costume and came across a realistic mask and it stated that it was made by a company so I decided to check out their website and they make another mask named 'Juwe'.
The company is based in the Czech republic and I was wondering if that spelling of the word itself had its origins in that area.
The website is called Greyland Film if you want to have a look.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:27 PM
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Hello P.C. Welcome to the boards.

It was hypothesised that "Juwes" could be a mistake for "Juives" which is French for "female Jews"--if I recall properly. Correct should be "Juifs." But it is doubtful that a native speaker of French would make that blunder.

Could it be from where you note? Possibly, I'll have to Czech on that. (heh-heh)

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Old 07-04-2012, 05:04 PM
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Hi P.C. (& Lynn),

I'm currently reading Paul Harrison's book, 'Jack the Ripper - The Mystery Solved'. I'm aware, from another thread, that Harrison researched the wrong Barnett & I've spotted a couple of other errors as well. However, there is one point which he makes which I found interesting. He claims that contacts within the Metropolitan Police have told him of resentment within the Met at being blamed for everything that was wrong in East London and at being compared unfavourably with the City Force:

"The message was nothing more than a jibe at the City Police. The word 'Juwes' should have been spelt 'Jewes' and was meant to refer to the nickname used by the majority of the Metropolitan Officers when referring to their City opponents. The nickname derives from the Old Jewry police headquarters of the City Police.
If the story is correct, a fact in which I have no reason to doubt, then it explains Superintendent Arnold and Sir Charles Warren's rival actions in removing the message".

Not a theory I have encountered before. Plausible or not?

(Lights blue touchpaper and retires).

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It was hypothesised that "Juwes" could be a mistake for "Juives" which is French for "female Jews"--if I recall properly.
I think I'm right in saying that this originated with Robert D'Onston Stephenson.

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Hello Colin.

"I think I'm right in saying that this originated with Robert D'Onston Stephenson.'

Yes. If I recall properly, it was in a note from mid-October, 1888.

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Hello Colin.

"I think I'm right in saying that this originated with Robert D'Onston Stephenson.'

Yes. If I recall properly, it was in a note from mid-October, 1888.

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Hi Lynn,

This is from Chris George's dissertation:

On 16 October, two weeks after the "Double Event," D'Onston wrote to the City of London Police from "50, Currie Wards, The London Hospital E." He gave it as his opinion that the writer of the Goulston Street graffito was a Frenchman and that the word "Juwes" was actually "Juives"--French for "Jews"--and that the police missed the dot over the "i" while shining their lamps on the wording. (In admitting in a later article that "Juives" was actually the feminine form of the term, D'Onston stood by a statement he made in the letter that the French were "notoriously the worst linguists in the world.")
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:54 AM
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The simplest explanation is that "Juwes" is a misspelling of Jews.
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Hello Colin. Thanks for the confirmation.

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I was browsing Ebay for a fancy dress costume and came across a realistic mask and it stated that it was made by a company so I decided to check out their website and they make another mask named 'Juwe'.
The company is based in the Czech republic and I was wondering if that spelling of the word itself had its origins in that area.
The website is called Greyland Film if you want to have a look.
Hello P. C.,

Welcome to the Boards.

The word "Jew" translates into Czech as "Žid", which is obviously derived from Yiddish, which is in turn derived from Judisch. Nothing to do with "Juwes", I'm afraid. Personally, I subscribe to the theory that "Juwes" is simply a misspelling or at best a traditional alternative spelling of "Jews".

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Old 07-08-2012, 09:26 PM
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I would think that one of the most probable answers to this question is that the person who wrote the message was a Gentile.

Considering it was placed at the entrance to Dwellings almost 100% occupied by Jews at the time, it seems the most probable to me.

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