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    Folks,
    I am listening to the latest, excellent, Rippercast, and Paul Begg refers in passing to the so called "Abberline Diaries" as used by Melvyn Fairclough to support his "Royal Conspiracy" theory in his book "The Ripper and the Royals".

    Has anyone apart from Mr Fairclough ever seen these "diaries"?

    Is it now generally accepted that these "diaries" were faked by Joseph Sickert?

  • #2
    Originally posted by barnflatwyngarde View Post
    Folks,
    I am listening to the latest, excellent, Rippercast, and Paul Begg refers in passing to the so called "Abberline Diaries" as used by Melvyn Fairclough to support his "Royal Conspiracy" theory in his book "The Ripper and the Royals".

    Has anyone apart from Mr Fairclough ever seen these "diaries"?

    Is it now generally accepted that these "diaries" were faked by Joseph Sickert?
    Just a question that surfaced when reading barnflatwyngardes post:

    Was there ever any diary, written by a person of fame, that was discovered only after that persons death - and that was NOT a fake? Hitler, Mussolini, Maybrick, Abberline ...
    This link:

    makes for refreshing reading.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by barnflatwyngarde View Post
      Folks,
      I am listening to the latest, excellent, Rippercast, and Paul Begg refers in passing to the so called "Abberline Diaries" as used by Melvyn Fairclough to support his "Royal Conspiracy" theory in his book "The Ripper and the Royals".

      Has anyone apart from Mr Fairclough ever seen these "diaries"?

      Is it now generally accepted that these "diaries" were faked by Joseph Sickert?
      It would appear so.
      Christopher T. George
      Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
      just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
      For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
      RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
        Just a question that surfaced when reading barnflatwyngardes post:

        Was there ever any diary, written by a person of fame, that was discovered only after that persons death - and that was NOT a fake? Hitler, Mussolini, Maybrick, Abberline ...
        This link:

        makes for refreshing reading.
        Hi Fish,

        Hope you enjoyed Norway.

        Let's hope a Lechmere Diary never surfaces because we can guess who will get the blame
        Regards

        Sir Herlock Sholmes.

        “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
          Hi Fish,

          Hope you enjoyed Norway.

          Let's hope a Lechmere Diary never surfaces because we can guess who will get the blame
          Goes to show what I am saying - you would immediately work from the presumption that it was a fake. And so would I.

          But I don´t think that Pierre would go to such lenghts to exonerate the carman.

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          • #6
            If I recall correctly in the 'Abberline' diary it was signed GF Abberline instead of FG! A diarist not knowing his own name is about as big a howler as you can get. I don't know of anyone else who ever saw it though but I think I can name one person that I'm sure never did....Abberline!
            Regards

            Sir Herlock Sholmes.

            “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
              If I recall correctly in the 'Abberline' diary it was signed GF Abberline instead of FG!
              Reminds me of Konrad Kujau who forged the Hitler Diaries, and decided to emboss the cover of each volume with the letters "AH". Unfortunately, he didn't quite understand the ornate Olde English lettering, and used "FH" by mistake. The "FH" used by Kujau is at the top of the image below, but the bottom is what "AH" really looks like in that font:

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              Remarkably, none of the experts hired to verify the Hitler Diaries seem to have spotted this, yet the initials appeared on volume after volume after volume.
              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                Reminds me of Konrad Kujau who forged the Hitler Diaries, and decided to emboss the cover of each volume with the letters "AH". Unfortunately, he didn't quite understand the ornate Olde English lettering, and used "FH" by mistake. The "FH" used by Kujau is at the top of the image below, but the bottom is what "AH" really looks like in that font:

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                Remarkably, none of the experts hired to verify the Hitler Diaries seem to have spotted this, yet the initials appeared on volume after volume after volume.
                I'm not suggesting the Hitler Diaries are real - but it could have been Hitler who misunderstood the font - or preferred the aesthetic of FH. The FH does look a more eye pleasing AH than the accurate version.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                  Goes to show what I am saying - you would immediately work from the presumption that it was a fake. And so would I.

                  But I don´t think that Pierre would go to such lenghts to exonerate the carman.
                  Certainly not at present Fish.


                  Steve

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                    Hi Fish,

                    Hope you enjoyed Norway.

                    Let's hope a Lechmere Diary never surfaces because we can guess who will get the blame
                    If it's "fished" out of the North Sea you'll know.
                    Christopher T. George
                    Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
                    just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
                    For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
                    RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                      Reminds me of Konrad Kujau who forged the Hitler Diaries, and decided to emboss the cover of each volume with the letters "AH". Unfortunately, he didn't quite understand the ornate Olde English lettering, and used "FH" by mistake. The "FH" used by Kujau is at the top of the image below, but the bottom is what "AH" really looks like in that font:

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                      Remarkably, none of the experts hired to verify the Hitler Diaries seem to have spotted this, yet the initials appeared on volume after volume after volume.
                      That's the problem with Olde English Sam. Even the 'h' doesn't look much like an 'h' to me.
                      Regards

                      Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                      “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                      • #12
                        Was there ever any diary, written by a person of fame, that was discovered only after that persons death - and that was NOT a fake? Hitler, Mussolini, Maybrick, Abberline ...
                        Anne Frank?

                        And much like Maybrick her fame came from the diary itself.
                        My opinion is all I have to offer here,

                        Dave.

                        Smilies are canned laughter.

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                        • #13
                          Samuel Pepys is probably the most famous. In the uk at least.
                          Regards

                          Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                          “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                            Samuel Pepys is probably the most famous.
                            I'm here to tell you that it didn't match his handwriting.

                            ... that's because he wrote it in shorthand. Tee hee!

                            (Strange but true)
                            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                              Just a question that surfaced when reading barnflatwyngardes post:

                              Was there ever any diary, written by a person of fame, that was discovered only after that persons death - and that was NOT a fake? Hitler, Mussolini, Maybrick, Abberline ...
                              This link:

                              makes for refreshing reading.
                              I think the Orton Diaries only came to light a few years after his death.

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