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As promised, here is the first part of a list of Scots Guards who were born in Wales between 1850 and 1870 and serving in 1888, as far as is known.
There are more names to come but please feel free to post any interesting research on any of them along the way. I have not looked at any of these men beyond picking them out from the index.

First name(s): Thomas DALTON
Calculated year of birth: 1868
Parish of birth: Cwmbran
Town of birth: Newport
County of birth: Monmouthshire
Age at attestation: 18 years 7 months
Attestation date: 5 February 1886
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 7085

First name(s): Frederick BEEDLES
Calculated year of birth: 1852
Parish of birth: Berriew
Town of birth: Montgomery
County of birth: Montgomeryshire
Age at attestation: 18 years
Attestation date: 5 September 1870
Discharge rank: Private
Discharge corps: Scots Guards
Discharge soldier number: 2470

First name(s): Edward DAVIES
Calculated year of birth: 1858
Parish of birth: Llandrinio
Town of birth: Oswestry
County of birth: Montgomeryshire
Age at attestation: 20 years 1 months
Attestation date: 10 July 1878
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 4565

First name(s): John DAVIES
Calculated year of birth: 1868
Parish of birth: Denbigh
Town of birth: Denbigh
County of birth: Denbighshire
Age at attestation: 19 years 4 months
Attestation date: 5 September 1887
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 7761

First name(s): Thomas DREW
Calculated year of birth: 1865
Parish of birth: Monmouth Cap
Town of birth: Abergavenny
County of birth: Monmouthshire
Age at attestation: 19 years 1 months
Attestation date: 30 June 1884
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 6442

First name(s): John HARRIES
Calculated year of birth: 1863
Parish of birth: Trediga
Town of birth: Trediga
County of birth: Monmouthshire
Age at attestation: 21 years
Attestation date: 7 July 1884
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 6454

First name(s): William HUGHES
Calculated year of birth: 1860
Parish of birth: Trewern
Town of birth: Welshpool
County of birth: Montgomeryshire
Age at attestation: 18 years
Attestation date: 24 June 1878
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 4549

First name(s): William HUGHES
Calculated year of birth: 1867
Parish of birth: Middletown
Town of birth: Welshpool
County of birth: Montgomeryshire
Age at attestation: 22 years 2 months
Attestation date: 20 May 1889
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 8250
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Hello Debs. Splendid. Now we have some good direction for further research.

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Hello Debs. Just found an Edward Davies from Llandrinio. Looks like he was a boot maker in 1881. Can one be discharged in 3 years?

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Hi Lynn,

Interesting that you too latched on to Edward Davies as the stand-out name. Might Johnto have been, not a brother, but a brother-in-law?

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Hi Debra & Lynn

I'll see what I can find out about Dalton & post what I find - if anything. We can work our way through the list between us, I guess?

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I'll see what I can find out about Dalton & post what I find - if anything. We can work our way through the list between us, I guess?

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Hi Bridewell, that will be great, thanks.
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Thomas Dalton:
born 3rd quarter of 1867 in Llantarnam, Monmouthshire
1871:
Lived on Foundry Row with:
Father: James Dalton Widower, "Coaker"? (sic) born Ireland
Nicholas 19 (can't read occupation)
Mary Ann 16 (too old to be MJK???)
James 9
William 7
Thomas himself 4
Margaret 11

I have a slight query as to why Margaret, aged 11, is last on the list when the other children are in descending order of age. Out of favour? I'm having difficulty in finding the family in 1881, but will post if I find them. Update: I can find a Thomas Daulton, but the father's name is now Nicholas, not James, so I don't see how it can be the same family. Any thoughts?

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Hi Lynn.
I just checked his full file and Edward was still serving in 1890. His occupation is given as Gentleman's servant. His father's name was Richard Davies, addressgiven as Llandrinio and his wife's name is given as Sarah Davies, she was living at 20 Hunts North Terrace, London.
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Hi Debs,

In 1871 Edward DAVIES is working as a General Servant for a farmer named Whittingham, living at Llandrino Hall. I suspect he's the son of Richard DAVIES, the gardener, and his wife, Harriet. They also have a daughter, called Mary, but she is aged 19 - so would be 36 in 1888.
In 1881, Mary is married, but still living with her parents, as Mary J JONES, aged 29. Immediately below her are Thomas D JONES (5) & Walter G P JONES (2) who are presumably her children. They are living at the Coach & Horses, Smithfield, Llandidloes, Montgomeryshire. This is a Scots Guard with a sister named 'Mary J'. She's a possible if you can accept MJK as being 36 when she died - & having had 2 children). I can't find them, with any degree of certainty in 1891, but Jones is not a helpful name to research in Wales!

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There are (at least) four possible candidates for the John Davies born in 1868 in Denbigh, but none of them has a sister who looks a likely MJK in my view, so I won't pursue that one unless more detail - such as parents' forenames - becomes available,

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