Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Main
   

Introduction
Victims
Suspects
Witnesses
Ripper Letters
Police Officials
Official Documents
Press Reports
Victorian London
Message Boards
Ripper Media
Authors
Dissertations
Timelines
Games & Diversions
Photo Archive
Ripper Wiki
Casebook Examiner
Ripper Podcast
About the Casebook

Most Recent Posts:
Witnesses: Why doubt a soldier murdered Tabram? - by etenguy 1 hour and 12 minutes ago.
Witnesses: Why doubt a soldier murdered Tabram? - by etenguy 1 hour and 23 minutes ago.
Tumblety, Francis: Tumblety - Hermaphrodite. - by Steadmund Brand 1 hour and 27 minutes ago.
A6 Murders: A6 Rebooted - by Spitfire 3 hours ago.
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - by RockySullivan 7 hours ago.
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - by Fisherman 8 hours ago.

Most Popular Threads:
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - (16 posts)
Tumblety, Francis: Tumblety - Hermaphrodite. - (11 posts)
Witnesses: Why doubt a soldier murdered Tabram? - (11 posts)
Elizabeth Stride: Elizabeth's murder and the double event - (5 posts)
A6 Murders: A6 Rebooted - (3 posts)
Thompson, Francis: Francis Thompson. The Perfect Suspect. - (2 posts)

Wiki Updates:
Robert Sagar
Edit: Chris
May 9, 2015, 12:32 am
Online newspaper archives
Edit: Chris
Nov 26, 2014, 10:25 am
Joseph Lawende
Edit: Chris
Mar 9, 2014, 10:12 am
Miscellaneous research resources
Edit: Chris
Feb 13, 2014, 9:28 am
Charles Cross
Edit: John Bennett
Sep 4, 2013, 8:20 pm

Most Recent Blogs:
Mike Covell: A DECADE IN THE MAKING.
February 19, 2016, 11:12 am.
Chris George: RipperCon in Baltimore, April 8-10, 2016
February 10, 2016, 2:55 pm.
Mike Covell: Hull Prison Visit
October 10, 2015, 8:04 am.
Mike Covell: NEW ADVENTURES IN RESEARCH
August 9, 2015, 3:10 am.
Mike Covell: UPDDATES FOR THE PAST 11 MONTHS
November 14, 2014, 10:02 am.
Mike Covell: Mike’s Book Releases
March 17, 2014, 3:18 am.

Go Back   Casebook Forums > Ripper Discussions > Witnesses

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #11  
Old 08-19-2016, 08:20 AM
David Orsam David Orsam is offline
Commisioner
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 6,932
Default

Miss Marple - advise saving every post, paragraph by paragraph, as you type using the control + C function, otherwise typing it in Word first and pasting in to avoid catastrophic loss.

Ancestry does have the front page for the matron's establishment in 1891 showing it to be Stockwell Orphanage, For maintenance & education of fatherless children, Clapham Road, London, civil parish of Lambeth, ward of Stockwell, parliamentary division of Brixton, and ecclesiastical parish/district of St Michael's, Stockwell.

The Dorset Street Mrs Maxwell in 1888 was only the wife of a lodging house keeper so I wouldn't want to draw conclusions as to whether she is more or less likely to have been a matron in 1891 than a woman who was an envelope maker ten years earlier in 1881. Plenty of time for occupational change there!
__________________
Orsam Books
www.orsam.co.uk
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-19-2016, 09:10 AM
Robert Robert is offline
Casebook Supporter
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,667
Default

Miss Marple. re your HWM Jr, I haven't found him in 1891 but in 1901 there is a Henry Maxwell, right age, sick inmate at St George's in the East workhouse, lighterman. There is a Henry William Maxwell right age who dies St George's in the East later that year.

There is a watermen and lightermen binding record for Aug 10th 1886, Stepney, binding Henry William Maxwell to Henry William Maxwell until March 8th 1892.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-19-2016, 09:49 AM
miss marple miss marple is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 722
Default

Thanks for that info David.

As for the Maxwells, its back to the drawing board. Carrie seems as mysterious as Mary Kelly. There seem to be no records for her or apart from death Henry. perhaps they were not Londoners.

Miss Marple
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-19-2016, 10:55 AM
Pcdunn Pcdunn is offline
Chief Inspector
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Colorado, USA
Posts: 1,518
Default

Joshua-- re "paying" referring to domestic abuse, I think it is very likely, but keep in mind that men had complete control over the women in their households, and beatings would have been very common, particularly in lower-class houses. I doubt a married or common-law wife could object to the law and expect much help. A common-law partner could more easily leave her husband than one with an official marriage, though both might do so.
__________________
Pat D.
---------------
Von Konigswald: Jack the Ripper plays shuffleboard. -- Happy Birthday, Wanda June by Kurt Vonnegut, c.1970.
---------------
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-19-2016, 11:05 AM
Debra A Debra A is offline
Superintendent
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Yorkshire England
Posts: 2,957
Default

Henry Maxwell entered the Whitechapel Infirmary on May 22nd 1889 from 14 Dorset Street (and died on the 24th as found by David). He's listed as married occupation deputy. His religion is shown as Roman Catholic, which might explain why there is no marriage entry for Henry and Caroline in available records. Henry was said to have had settlement in Whitechapel for 3 years.
__________________
,,`,, Debs ,,`,,
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-19-2016, 11:33 AM
miss marple miss marple is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 722
Default

As there is no marriage record for Henry and Caroline and he was a Catholic, as they had only been in Spitalfields for three years is it possible they came from Ireland?

Miss Marple
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-19-2016, 12:32 PM
Debra A Debra A is offline
Superintendent
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Yorkshire England
Posts: 2,957
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miss marple View Post
As there is no marriage record for Henry and Caroline and he was a Catholic, as they had only been in Spitalfields for three years is it possible they came from Ireland?

Miss Marple
Definitely one possibility I'd say, MM.
I noted that Ancestry have a database of London, Church of England deaths and burials, taken from various sources and was a bit puzzled when Henry Maxwell's death details appeared in there but the actual record was the death register of Whitechapel Infirmary and not from any C of E source.
__________________
,,`,, Debs ,,`,,

Last edited by Debra A : 08-19-2016 at 12:34 PM.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-19-2016, 12:46 PM
miss marple miss marple is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 722
Default

Is that because he was Catholic? If he was not C of E why would they have a record? That seems to confirm the possibility that he was not known in parish registers. So the Irish connection is looking likely. There were Maxwell's in Ireland.

Miss Marple

Last edited by miss marple : 08-19-2016 at 12:50 PM. Reason: to add
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08-19-2016, 12:54 PM
Debra A Debra A is offline
Superintendent
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Yorkshire England
Posts: 2,957
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miss marple View Post
Is that because he was Catholic? If he was not Cof E why would they have a record?

Miss Marple
There is no C of E record. Ancestry have titled the database London Church of England deaths and burials but the database includes things such as the Whitechapel Infirmary death registers, which are part of the collection of registers kept by the Infirmaries and workhouses to record deaths that occurred of inmates and patients of any religion. Ancestry's title for the database as a whole is misleading that's all, but it had me puzzled for a moment why he would be in there.
__________________
,,`,, Debs ,,`,,
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08-19-2016, 02:44 PM
Paddy Paddy is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 699
Default

The Caroline of Bermondsey was the daughter of George Maxwell a lighterman and Sarah How.
Her older brother was Henry William Maxwell also a Lighterman who married Mary Ann Steers.
Brother and Sister ?

Pat.......
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.