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Old 01-08-2015, 05:54 AM
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Hello Rocky. Thanks.

"I think he would've been in a pub possibly listening to the gossip about his work and also looking for his next victim. I think the ripper liked to drink and I think it's how he picked his victims...in the pubs."

All conjecture, surely?

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Old 01-08-2015, 06:09 AM
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Taylors sighting, pipeman, blotchy face. Too many gingers lurking about near the scenes of the crime for my liking.
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Old 01-08-2015, 08:51 AM
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Taylors sighting, pipeman, blotchy face. Too many gingers lurking about near the scenes of the crime for my liking.
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not to mention Lawendes Fair haired suspect, and Ada wilsons
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I don't understand where you got the "six hours after the killing".

The man entered the pub at 7am. Chapman was killed probably shortly before sunrise. There was no DST at the time.


Back to the topic: Yes. I would consider the whole trio in that pub credible witnesses. While Mrs Fiddymont was used to identify a suspect, and failed, I find it frustrating that there is no certainty they brought her to identify Isenschmid.

And like Lynn said, the man who followed the "suspicious ginger" had a very good description.
In case anyone is interested. In Sugden's book, in the Isenchmid chapter, there are three short lines in a paragraph that says that there were attempts from the police for Mrs Fiddymont and M Taylor to identify the man, but the resident medical officer, Dr Mickle, refused. Since records were lost or destroyed, it is not known if they finally did meet him
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Taylors sighting, pipeman, blotchy face. Too many gingers lurking about near the scenes of the crime for my liking.
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What do you have against gingers?
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Hello Rosella.

"What do you have against Ginger?"

Prefer Mary Ann, myself. (heh-heh)

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In case anyone is interested. In Sugden's book, in the Isenchmid chapter, there are three short lines in a paragraph that says that there were attempts from the police for Mrs Fiddymont and M Taylor to identify the man, but the resident medical officer, Dr Mickle, refused. Since records were lost or destroyed, it is not known if they finally did meet him
Hi Sir John

Mrs Fiddymont, Mrs Chapell and Mr Taylor did have a look at William Piggott in a police line up.

Only Mrs Chapel picked Piggott out, and she was unsure.

But Piggott did have a ripped shirt with blood stains, and he also had a bite on his hand from his earlier altercation with a woman in Brick Lane.
Piggott quickly relocated to Gravesend from Whitechapel, and was later found in another pub, drawing attention to himself.
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not to mention Lawendes Fair haired suspect, and Ada wilsons
.. and local weirdo Edward McKenna (who wore a skull cap, just like the person who stuck his head around the Ten Bells door at 5am and supposedly called Annie Chapman outside).
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Hi Sir John

Mrs Fiddymont, Mrs Chapell and Mr Taylor did have a look at William Piggott in a police line up.

Only Mrs Chapel picked Piggott out, and she was unsure.

But Piggott did have a ripped shirt with blood stains, and he also had a bite on his hand from his earlier altercation with a woman in Brick Lane.
Piggott quickly relocated to Gravesend from Whitechapel, and was later found in another pub, drawing attention to himself.
Piggott should be higher up the suspect list IMHO.
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Old 03-11-2015, 01:22 AM
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IF one accepts the 05:30 timing , it has a sort of logic...Early in the series....maybe still a bit shocked by what he's done himself...wanders a bit...needs a drink?
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