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Is it time to think the unthinkable and consider the possibility that Dr.Bond was JTR and the Torso killer?I've seen him mentioned before but it doesn't seem to have been taken seriously.Perhaps he has totally deceived us all .
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Is it time to think the unthinkable and consider the possibility that Dr.Bond was JTR and the Torso killer?I've seen him mentioned before but it doesn't seem to have been taken seriously.Perhaps he has totally deceived us all .
Why, what evidence points to him?
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Next thing someone will accuse Henry Sutton.

Henry the Ripper.....meh.....nope....next idiotic idea....Pierre!!!
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Next thing someone will accuse Henry Sutton.

Henry the Ripper.....meh.....nope....next idiotic idea....Pierre!!!
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Wouldn't it be the most delicious irony if the original criminal profiler was the most famous criminal in history?More research methinks
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Wouldn't it be the most delicious irony if the original criminal profiler was the most famous criminal in history?More research methinks
interesting. How old was bond in 1888.
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Why, what evidence points to him?
Not much ,but there are a few curiosities that make me think and I admit I'm only theorising but that's a lot of what this is about,right?
So,I posted on another thread that after Annie's inquest if I was JTR and I wanted more victims,I would have to disguise my surgical skills.But he can't quite do it in the case of Eddowes because of things like skirting round the umbilicus,removing the descending colon and invaginating the colon(if memory serves)
In Kelly's case he is doing the post mortem so he can 'write his own cheques',he's in a perfect position to mislead the police and by saying the killer didn't even possess the skills of a butcher he may be doing just that.He contradicts Phillips,who recognised the work of a medical man.
The organs were taken for a reason.Bond suffered from a stricture of the urethra thought to be caused by gonorrhea,he wrote papers on V.D.Is it a possibility that he harvested the organs of prostitutes for medical research?
He treated his pain with narcotics and it has been shown that drug use is often involved in violent crime
He gave up his job to work in the Austro-Prussian war because he wanted to witness field surgery and he was mentioned for bravery.One man's bravery is another man's reckless risk taking which is said to be a classic psychopathic trait.
Regarding the Torso killings,Bond worked at the Westminster Hospital which puts him at the right end of town,and of course just around the corner from the Norman Shaw buildings.
Also I was reading about a case he was involved in where a man was hanged on his testimony even though he admitted the reason he thought it was murder was a cut to the victims finger,otherwise it looked like suicide.Could it be evidence of pleasure taken in deciding this man's fate?Was it evidence of the classic psychopathic traits of power seeking and controlling?
I know I'll get a bit of flak but Bond is beautifully placed to interfere with the police and stay abreast of developments,he could be the man wearing the mask of sanity,in plain view.Just a thought
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In Kelly's case he is doing the post mortem so he can 'write his own cheques',he's in a perfect position to mislead the police and by saying the killer didn't even possess the skills of a butcher he may be doing just that.He contradicts Phillips,who recognised the work of a medical man.
One of us is making a huge mistake here

It's possible I may have misunderstood your post so let me just share with you the fact that Dr. Bond did not conduct the official autopsy, that was the purview of Dr. Phillips.
The official autopsy is what was referenced by the police, not the observations of Dr. Bond which you are quoting.

Dr. Bond was requested by Anderson, at Warren's behest, to analyze the wounds across the Whitechapel victims to see if there were evidence of an experienced hand at work.
While he was studying the autopsy reports of Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes & Stride, the murder of Mary Kelly occurred, which is why he was brought in at Millers Court on Friday afternoon.
Dr. Bond assisted Dr. Phillips on Saturday and with the concurrence of Dr. Phillips he made out his own post-mortem account of what he saw for Anderson.
This is the report that is often regarded the official report, but this is incorrect.

An 'autopsy' is a legally defined investigation conducted by the physician in charge of the case - this would be Dr. Phillips.

Whereas a 'post-mortem' is any inquiry into the physical remains of the body after death. There are no guidelines for a post-mortem, no legal definition, it can be as exhaustive or as brief as the conducting physician deems necessary.

Dr. Bond wrote a post-mortem report for Robert Anderson, it was for the eyes of no-one else except Anderson & Warren, it was not intended to supersede or replace the official autopsy conducted by Dr. Phillips.
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Thanks Wickerman, I could well have deluded myself,it's easy to see what you want to see.He's an interesting character and may well be a paragon of virtue.I'd like to know more about him,cheers
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Thanks Wickerman, I could well have deluded myself,it's easy to see what you want to see.He's an interesting character and may well be a paragon of virtue.I'd like to know more about him,cheers
Hi Elmore.

I'm really only responding to the suggestion that Dr Bond was in a good position to deceive the police.
He could have deceived Anderson, but Swanson and the inspectors investigating the case had Dr Phillips autopsy to work with.

Anderson was certainly in a position to redirect the course of the investigation if he chose to do so, however not so easy if what he learned from Dr. Bond ran counter to the opinion of Dr. Phillips.
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