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  • #31
    This is fun, can I play?

    The main text is describing the Lawende sighting, so it seems to me the marginal text is referring to Eddowes. Maybe.

    Looks like a ":" in the first line, rather than a "&", but the meaning is the same.

    Second line may be "If [we say?] 1.35 it can't be concluded...." (or "excluded")?

    More guesswork than anything though

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    • #32
      The first two words of the second paragraph are "If Liz"
      The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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      • #33
        If the first paragraph refers to Lawende & co's witness testimony, then the second paragraph could begin with "If Lawende's 1.35 account is...."

        Thus reading so far...

        "This is said to have been at 1.35 : by that time the woman had been definitely murdered.

        If Lawende's 1.35 account is..."
        Cheers,
        Pandora.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Hamrammr View Post
          Hi,

          Not sure if this is going to help much. I've tried scanning/photographing the scribble again but the document I have isn't the best scan even though I'm sure it was the best that could be done at the time (2002). Anyway, below are links to another shot, plus the page of the report before the scribble and the page the scribble is on. At this point in the report Swanson is trying to draw a comparison between the descriptions of the murderer in Berner Street and at Mitre Square given by witnesses. I've had a go at taking away the scribble myself (below), but haven't really got any further than anyone else.

          Previous page:


          Scribble page: http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psr8wecd8h.jpg

          Margin notes with scribble: http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psllsfvt7t.jpg

          With some scribble removed: http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psg6x4n9jj.jpg
          Thanks for those links.
          Now we can use the full pages of Swanson's handwriting to compare the way he formed his letters, it should help sort the y's from the g's, or the l's from the t's, etc.

          Always assuming this problematical marginal note was written by Swanson?
          Regards, Jon S.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Pandora View Post
            If the first paragraph refers to Lawende & co's witness testimony, then the second paragraph could begin with "If Lawende's 1.35 account is...."

            Thus reading so far...

            "This is said to have been at 1.35 : by that time the woman had been definitely murdered.

            If Lawende's 1.35 account is..."
            I thought it was account too, but the c's are right in line for the string of c's he used to obliterate the text. I think the rhythm is too perfect for it to be part of the actual word. I could be wrong though.
            The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Pandora View Post

              If Lawende's 1.35 account is..."
              Not sure if this helps or hinders but, Swanson referred to Lawende in his report as "Mr Lewin".
              Does it look like "Lewin" or "Lawende"?
              Regards, Jon S.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
                This is fun, can I play?

                The main text is describing the Lawende sighting, so it seems to me the marginal text is referring to Eddowes. Maybe.

                Looks like a ":" in the first line, rather than a "&", but the meaning is the same.

                Second line may be "If [we say?] 1.35 it can't be concluded...." (or "excluded")?

                More guesswork than anything though
                That ":" was me rubbing out too much of the original I think, because the "&" shape Swanson used was a similar shape as his squiggle out line, see the pic attached where his "&" is attached to "salt" in "pepper & salt".
                Attached Files
                Cheers,
                Pandora.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                  Not sure if this helps or hinders but, Swanson referred to Lawende in his report as "Mr Lewin".
                  Does it look like "Lewin" or "Lawende"?
                  Yes I was just looking at that, I think it looks more like Lewin than Lawende, so I think it's a plausible start to the second paragraph.
                  Attached Files
                  Cheers,
                  Pandora.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                    Not sure if this helps or hinders but, Swanson referred to Lawende in his report as "Mr Lewin".
                    Does it look like "Lewin" or "Lawende"?
                    I think it's liz.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

                      Second line may be "If [we say?] 1.35 it can't be concluded...." (or "excluded")?
                      I'm thinking:
                      "If the time 1.35 is correct....."?

                      "If the xxxx 1.35 is correct..."

                      The xxx must be "time"?
                      Regards, Jon S.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Errata View Post
                        I think it's liz.

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                        But Liz is not connected to the time of 1.35, she was dead by then.
                        Eddowes has a connection to 1.35.
                        I can't see any context that would cause him to connect Liz with 1.35.
                        Regards, Jon S.

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                        • #42
                          "If the time 1.35 is correct the
                          woman had...."?
                          Regards, Jon S.

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                          • #43
                            "If the time 1.35 is correct the
                            woman had walked to that...."?



                            This is killing my eyes!
                            Regards, Jon S.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                              But Liz is not connected to the time of 1.35, she was dead by then.
                              Eddowes has a connection to 1.35.
                              I can't see any context that would cause him to connect Liz with 1.35.
                              I KNOW. And yet it clearly says Liz to me.

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                              • #45
                                I think the secret is to get the rhythm of the Cs crossing out the text in order to anticipate where it's going to hit in the word, and then be able to extract the Cs from that word. Visually.

                                Not that I'm having any success at it, but I think that's the key.
                                The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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