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  • #16
    Originally posted by Batman View Post
    The fact JtR didn't cover Mary Kelly suggests he had absolutely no connection to her. However the overkill suggests he is hiding his surgical skills but is also doing this to shock the police with a shocking sexual murder.

    Warren resigns and the murders 'stop'. Why isn't that a clue?
    My guess it is not regarded by most as a clue is that it assumes that Mary Kelly's butchering is the last of the series of murders. If we assume the whole series is to damage Scotland Yard's reputation and ends with Mary Kelly because of Warren's resignation - why are there rumors linking the Ripper with at least three more murders up to 1891 (Frances Coles)?

    As for the Ripper not leaving any message on the wall for the police after butchering Mary Kelly, the actual physical injuries he did to her remains is a sufficient message - but further, there was a broken window giving any passerby a view of the interior of Mary's room. If the Ripper removed his clothing and then cut up her body, and then redressed himself, he would have been aware that had he taken the time to write a message afterwards it would have increased the possibility of his being seen through the window by some inquisitive passerby - one who could anonymously flee the Miller's Court area (ironically melting into the neighborhood, as the Ripper had done repeatedly after his killings) without leaving any immediate clues to whom he or she was - and if that party recognized the Ripper might report him to the police or (far worse) actually safely confront the Ripper for the purposes of blackmail. Every second beyond what he had accomplished in killing and mutilating Mary's body and possibly redressing himself (and clearing out without leaving any traceable clue) had to be concentrated on - not on writing messages on walls and risking it all.

    Jeff

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    • #17
      At the time Polly Nichols was murdered Warren was also reported to be resigning and potential replacements for him were even named in the press. However, it would be an interesting exercise to look in 1887 and 1886, etc to see if similar upheavals in the upper echelons of the police weren't happening. I'd bet they were and yet prostitutes weren't being slaughtered. So, what Batman suggests is something to keep in mind, but without something firm to draw a connection, it's a massive logic leap to go from Anderson's appointment to the murder of an East End prostitute.

      However, I'm with you in that a lot of the stuff written off as 'coincidence' so that authors can stick to a clean narrative sits awkwardly with me as well.

      Yours truly,

      Tom Wescott

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mayerling View Post
        As for the Ripper not leaving any message on the wall for the police after butchering Mary Kelly, the actual physical injuries he did to her remains is a sufficient message
        And what was that message? That he's one sick puppy? Well the same applies to Eddowes. You certainly couldn't discern any political agenda from the Miller's Court slaughter.

        Originally posted by Mayerling View Post
        ...but further, there was a broken window giving any passerby a view of the interior of Mary's room. If the Ripper removed his clothing and then cut up her body, and then redressed himself, he would have been aware that had he taken the time to write a message afterwards it would have increased the possibility of his being seen through the window by some inquisitive passerby - one who could anonymously flee the Miller's Court area (ironically melting into the neighborhood, as the Ripper had done repeatedly after his killings) without leaving any immediate clues to whom he or she was - and if that party recognized the Ripper might report him to the police or (far worse) actually safely confront the Ripper for the purposes of blackmail. Every second beyond what he had accomplished in killing and mutilating Mary's body and possibly redressing himself (and clearing out without leaving any traceable clue) had to be concentrated on - not on writing messages on walls and risking it all.
        I'm talking about leaving a message INSIDE the bedroom, not outside.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Harry D View Post
          And what was that message? That he's one sick puppy? Well the same applies to Eddowes. You certainly couldn't discern any political agenda from the Miller's Court slaughter.

          Even after what he did to Eddowes, horrendous as it was, it was as nothing to what he did to Mary Kelly. VERY, VERY sick puppy indeed!

          I'm talking about leaving a message INSIDE the bedroom, not outside.
          So was I. If he took the trouble to be outside to write a message, he could have strolled away from the area, found an empty corner and scribbled something. He would not have under any immediate suspicion at the time.

          Jeff

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Harry D View Post
            And what was that message? That he's one sick puppy? Well the same applies to Eddowes. You certainly couldn't discern any political agenda from the Miller's Court slaughter.
            Somehow what happened to Mary Kelly, even with full attention to what happened to Catherine Eddowes, was so far more horrible that it would make any thoughts of the Ripper being "treatable" by 19th Century mental illness specialists go out the window (no pun intended regarding Mary's broken window). I personally can't see any political agenda message in all this, aside from the police being considered stupid by the killer. But Jack probably considered the whole world stupid, aside from himself.

            Jeff

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