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Old 10-28-2016, 02:09 PM
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Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

How was it visible in the crimes?

What was the object for his hate?

Why was there hate?

Did the hate preceed every murder in some specific way?

When the murders started, how did hate influence this?

When the murders stopped, had the hate also stopped?

Or are there no signs of hate in the murder cases?

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Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

Pierre

Of course not knowing who he was, it is not possible to answer this very specific question about his emotional state or the following specific questions

Any response would be pure speculation, with no sources available to back up any discussion.

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Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

How was it visible in the crimes?

What was the object for his hate?

Why was there hate?

Did the hate preceed every murder in some specific way?

When the murders started, how did hate influence this?

When the murders stopped, had the hate also stopped?

Or are there no signs of hate in the murder cases?

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Of course Pierre if you told us a name that would be very different would it not.


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Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

How was it visible in the crimes?

What was the object for his hate?

Why was there hate?

Did the hate preceed every murder in some specific way?

When the murders started, how did hate influence this?

When the murders stopped, had the hate also stopped?

Or are there no signs of hate in the murder cases?

Regards, Pierre

Who is to say it wasn't pleasure?

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Who is to say it wasn't pleasure?

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Nice response Paul, certainly could have been


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Nice response Paul, certainly could have been
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Of course it was pleasure too.

But the question here was about the concept of hate.

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Of course it was pleasure too.

But the question here was about the concept of hate.

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I beg to differ Pierre, it is not about the concept of hate, which is a far ranging question, rather it is a specific set of questions about the emotional state of an unknown individual and is there fore unanswerable in that form.


Any answers being pure speculation.

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I beg to differ Pierre, it is not about the concept of hate, which is a far ranging question, rather it is a specific set of questions about the emotional state of an unknown individual and is there fore unanswerable in that form.


Any answers being pure speculation.

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Save to great scientist/social scientists/ historians or whatever they chose to be.

Motive is worthless without a suspect.

It is really that simple.
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Save to great scientist/social scientists/ historians or whatever they chose to be.

Motive is worthless without a suspect.

It is really that simple.
As a dumb true scientist, I would argue the opposite. To find a suspect one needs a motive. Namely the Holmesian collect all the data one can and then once you have excluded the impossible, what remains however improbable is the truth. If one starts with the open statement of the murders were for hate then it will automatically limit ones view much in the same way of fitting a diagnosis to fit the symptoms rather than building the symptoms to fit the disease.

I assume (but can't prove) that Abberline et al sought every whore beater and woman hater back in 1888, why? Because he must hate women! Why can it not be the exact opposite? He purely loved and enjoyed the pleasure of killing and destruction!

Paul

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Old 10-28-2016, 07:30 PM
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As a dumb true scientist, I would argue the opposite. To find a suspect one needs a motive. Namely the Holmesian collect all the data one can and then once you have excluded the impossible, what remains however improbable is the truth. If one starts with the open statement of the murders were for hate then it will automatically limit ones view much in the same way of fitting a diagnosis to fit the symptoms rather than building the symptoms to fit the disease.

I assume (but can't prove) that Abberline et al sought every whore beater and woman hater back in 1888, why? Because he must hate women! Why can it not be the exact opposite? He purely loved and enjoyed the pleasure of killing and destruction!

Paul
Hi Paul

I think it's odds on Jack was a woman hater. However it's also odds on he got a sexual thrill from mutilation.

Cheers John
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