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Old 07-21-2016, 01:53 PM
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Abstaining from making belittling comments is not really your strong point.



Keep your belittling comments to yourself if you can not contribute to the discussion without telling others you are feeling sorry for them.



"Properly" thought through"? What a belittling and meaningless thing to say. You are not in any position to know what I have thought through or not. You know nothing about how I work.

You see, I have no problem with asking questions and looking stupid in the eyes of people who are worshipping the ideas of police officers from 1888. I prefer that. It leads to knowledge, whereas ripperology mostly leads to the same prejudiced and old ideas.



Shall I give a list of what yours degrees are not?

Stop attacking me and stop destroying the thread.
You seem to be going off topic with this post, which must be a first considering it's your own thread! Although to be fair I would concede that my degree is also not in geography-unlike yourself, who I seem to recall has a multitude of degrees I, unfortunately, only have the one.

As for how you work, you are absolutely correct. I frankly haven't a clue how you arrive at your theories, except it's probably not via the disciplined method of an academic historian, and I doubt anyone else does either.
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No, such a distance (1,25 mile) is about 25-30 minutes walk.

The pattern is that the murder sites are 5-10 minutes walk from a police station.

You are certainly not of any assistance at all, John. And I do not accept your belittling comment about disposing of the thread.
Pierre you are walking very slowly, where do you get the figure of 25-30 minutes to walk one and a quarter miles from please. A reliable source please?

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Pierre you are walking very slowly, where do you get the figure of 25-30 minutes to walk one and a quarter miles from please. A reliable source please?

Steve
The average walking speed is between 3 and 5 mph. So let's use 4.

Thus 1.25 miles would be about 20 minutes.

Even 3 mph is under half an hour.

Not many cop shops needed in that space to be only five minutes away from any point.
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Closest police station to Durward street: Bethnal Green, one mile away to the north. Bow Road is about 2 miles further East down Whitechapel Road (A11). These are tiny distances in London terms (Monty may even have knowledge of some former stations even closer)
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My major incident training included routes of ingress and egress. Pierre's map has triggered a thought, not one of the canonical five was more than five minutes walk from one of the (then new) District and Hammersmith train stations. These would have offered escape routes if open at the relevant times! Does anyone know about historic London Transport regional operations?
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Hi,

I enjoyed reading the suggestion about the strange astronomical pattern.

Polly Nichols was the only victim found 15 minutes walk from a police station.

All the other victims were found 5-10 minutes from a police station - or two.

Regards, Pierre
The biggest problem with the idea Pierre is the "city" victim, Eddowes. A met cop found in city territory, presuming he was in uniform, would have a difficult explanation. If he was off shift and out of uniform, maybe.

There was an underground railway station close to every murder site, though. Was your suspect a railway cop, by chance? I've personally always liked Bernie Brown's writings on the subject!
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My major incident training included routes of ingress and egress. Pierre's map has triggered a thought, not one of the canonical five was more than five minutes walk from one of the (then new) District and Hammersmith train stations. These would have offered escape routes if open at the relevant times! Does anyone know about historic London Transport regional operations?
I've done some research on it in the past, kjab. I'll see if I can dig up the threads I posted stuff in. You would benefit from Bernard Brown's dissertation on the matter as I suggested in my previous post.

I must have been writing while you posted. I see you mentioned the same thing. lol
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Old 07-21-2016, 06:20 PM
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Good evening kjab3112 and welcome to Casebook,

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My major incident training included routes of ingress and egress. Pierre's map has triggered a thought, not one of the canonical five was more than five minutes walk from one of the (then new) District and Hammersmith train stations. These would have offered escape routes if open at the relevant times! Does anyone know about historic London Transport regional operations?
There were railroads, undergrounds, trams, in the area. There was a railroad which had a stop right at Buck's Row, the Whitechapel station on this map. The East London Railway was fully functioning in 1888 for passengers and freight. I think the green line is the underground.

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This map showed where Montague Druitt's sister and husband lived at the red square, and Montie lived towards the arrow. So we've sort of double-jacked ole Pierre there, but yes I find Pierre's map thought provoking too.

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Old 07-21-2016, 11:29 PM
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I've done some research on it in the past, kjab. I'll see if I can dig up the threads I posted stuff in. You would benefit from Bernard Brown's dissertation on the matter as I suggested in my previous post.

I must have been writing while you posted. I see you mentioned the same thing. lol
I'd be very interested in this too, Jerry. I remember one of the maps in the CSI Whitechapel book demonstrates how close the murder sites were to railway stations, which I thought might be relevant.
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Old 07-21-2016, 11:31 PM
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My major incident training included routes of ingress and egress. Pierre's map has triggered a thought, not one of the canonical five was more than five minutes walk from one of the (then new) District and Hammersmith train stations. These would have offered escape routes if open at the relevant times! Does anyone know about historic London Transport regional operations?
Yes, this is a good point and it's something I've also previously considered.
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