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No Debs it was actually an inquiry into corruption within Scotland Yard.
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Any idea about the form of the possible corruption?


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Any idea about the form of the possible corruption?
Yes, accepting money and/or gifts from police contractors.
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Yes indeed it was Jeff.

Both men died suddenly shortly after major appointments. Henry senior died on 2 June 1913 within a month of his appointment as Chief Magistrate and weeks after he was knighted. Henry Honywood died only a few weeks after his appointment as Chairman of the London Sessions.
I can't speak about his father, but Sir Henry the barrister had a weight problem he could not (or would not) address, that affected his heart problems.

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[QUOTE =David Orsam;412337]Yes, accepting money and/or gifts from police contractors.[/quote]


Thank you David.

I see now why this is posted in this section.


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You're not suggesting they were bumped off, David?
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Well Sir Henry senior was at the Mansion House having tea with the Lord Mayor when he suddenly staggered and fell, striking his head on a marble table, being pronounced dead soon after. Cause of death was angina. His son was replying to a toast at a dinner of the National Greyhound Racing Society at the Dorchester Hotel, joking about his weight, when he collapsed and fell to floor, dying in a hotel bedroom to which he was carried. I'm thinking more coincidence than murder. Another coincidence is that they both died on the second day of a month. Sir Henry senior died on 2 June 1913 and Sir Henry junior died on 2 November 1936.
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Yes, strange coincidence.
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Well Sir Henry senior was at the Mansion House having tea with the Lord Mayor when he suddenly staggered and fell, striking his head on a marble table, being pronounced dead soon after. Cause of death was angina. His son was replying to a toast at a dinner of the National Greyhound Racing Society at the Dorchester Hotel, joking about his weight, when he collapsed and fell to floor, dying in a hotel bedroom to which he was carried. I'm thinking more coincidence than murder. Another coincidence is that they both died on the second day of a month. Sir Henry senior died on 2 June 1913 and Sir Henry junior died on 2 November 1936.
Probably just mere coincidence, as there are twelve days that are the 2nd day of a month in the course of a year. It's like the fact both of my parents died in April (my birth month) but Dad on April 26th, and Mom on April 18th. Neither is my particular birthday.

Same thing with the fact that the anniversary of Lincoln's assassination is April 14th-15th, as is the sinking of the Titanic. But the former was in 1865, and the latter in 1912. The link is therefore really non-existent.

It reminds me of how in 1956 former Vice President Alben Barkeley, now a U.S. Senator again, spoke at some college event, and made a ringing declaration of being ready for the Lord's presence (or something like that), and dropped dead shortly after.

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So here's a bit of clue as to what was going on with this inquiry. The story from Reynolds's Newspaper of 15 July 1888 that I quoted in the OP originally appeared in The Star of 12 July 1888 with some additional information as follows:

A Scotland-yard Scandal

For some time past a secret inquiry has been proceeding at the Home Office before Mr. Curtis Bennett, the Westminster magistrate, into the conduct of certain officials at Scotland-yard, which promises to rival in public interest the revelations at the Board of Works inquiry. The affair has hitherto been kept a profound secret. Charges have been brought against the officers of having received bribes in connection with the clothing and building contracts. The whole of the Police Accounts are under scrutiny, and the evidence elicited has, it is stated, already justified the holding of the inquiry.
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The Star returned to the story four days later, on 16 July 1888, and its report reveals a little twist to the tale:

THE SCOTLAND YARD SCANDALS.

An Inquiry Into Suspected Jobbery with Contractors.

The Scotland-yard inquiry, to which we referred to other day is, we understand, now finished. It seems that someone in the Receiver's Department had been suspected of taking bribes or commissions from contractors. This department deals with all contracts and money transactions in connection with the police force. Sir Charles Warren employed Mr. St. John Wontner to make inquiries for him. Mr. Wontner in his turn engaged a private detective Mr. Moser to ferret out information. The result was that Sir Charles Warren got the accountant, Mr. Evans, discharged. But Mr. Evans was not to be got rid of so easily. He wanted to find out why he was discharged and deprived of his pension. He was the means of getting up the private inquiry which has just taken place under Mr. Curtis Bennett. The Home Secretary was very reluctant to grant this inquiry at first, and had to be appealed to several times before he conceded. The result of the investigations has not been very creditable to the administration of the Receiving Department. The report, of course, will not be made public.
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