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Old 09-07-2016, 01:40 PM
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Default The "parcel" supposedly carried by the killer

If the respective witness testimonies were to be believed, then the Ripper might have been in more than one occasion carrying a parcel wrapped in paper while murdering his victim. Then this parcel could have been regarded as part of his modus operandi. But I just can't figure out why the cumbersome way of carrying his belongings. His likely tools, such as a knife and a pair of gloves, could be easily fit inside his coat pockets or hidden in the inner layers of his clothing. Why risk carrying something that might be remembered or identified? He couldn't use a regular bag, since it might have distinctive features that could be remembered or identified. So he likely used a nondescript container, and even wrapped it with paper to cover up any possible slightest memorable feature on the outside of the container. It seemed he took considerable effort in creating this parcel. And if so, his purpose must have been to hold something fairly important too. A jar for holding a kidney, perhaps. A lamp. A piece of chalk. Towel to wipe his hands. If indeed he was carrying items like that, he would also need to carry them back with him as he was leaving the crime scene. He would risk being seen with the parcel again, of course. Or maybe he had ways to discard it before he went back home.
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If the respective witness testimonies were to be believed, then the Ripper might have been in more than one occasion carrying a parcel wrapped in paper while murdering his victim. Then this parcel could have been regarded as part of his modus operandi. But I just can't figure out why the cumbersome way of carrying his belongings. His likely tools, such as a knife and a pair of gloves, could be easily fit inside his coat pockets or hidden in the inner layers of his clothing. Why risk carrying something that might be remembered or identified? He couldn't use a regular bag, since it might have distinctive features that could be remembered or identified. So he likely used a nondescript container, and even wrapped it with paper to cover up any possible slightest memorable feature on the outside of the container. It seemed he took considerable effort in creating this parcel. And if so, his purpose must have been to hold something fairly important too. A jar for holding a kidney, perhaps. A lamp. A piece of chalk. Towel to wipe his hands. If indeed he was carrying items like that, he would also need to carry them back with him as he was leaving the crime scene. He would risk being seen with the parcel again, of course. Or maybe he had ways to discard it before he went back home.

I'm sceptical that any witness saw the killer, but if they did and if he was carrying a parcel well

In it the knife

After the attack the knife and the little morsels he took away.
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I'm sceptical that any witness saw the killer, but if they did and if he was carrying a parcel well

In it the knife

After the attack the knife and the little morsels he took away.
I would say it would have to be an unusually large knife to justify to use of a box to carry it, unless he the killer needed to carry other things as I mentioned. One eyewitness did say he had seen a victim with a man carrying a 18" by 6" parcel. The autopsy reports indicated the murder weapon was a knife at least 6" long, 1" wide, pointed at the tip. A 6" or perhaps even a 12" knife could easily be concealed in the killer's body without the need of a box.
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:31 PM
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Parcels might be food wrapped up "to go", or, in the case of sightings near the Stride murder scene, packets of socialist newspapers.
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Mary Kelly's fish and chips?
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:49 AM
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Hi,
I would suggest, it was some kind of cleaning material, it would make sense in the double event, the killer discarding it, after wiping his hands after Stride, and then having to cut a portion of Eddowes apron to complete the job, as he had not reckoned on accosting another that night.
In the case of Kelly he would need a clean up more then any of the others,
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I would say it would have to be an unusually large knife to justify to use of a box to carry it, unless he the killer needed to carry other things as I mentioned. One eyewitness did say he had seen a victim with a man carrying a 18" by 6" parcel. The autopsy reports indicated the murder weapon was a knife at least 6" long, 1" wide, pointed at the tip. A 6" or perhaps even a 12" knife could easily be concealed in the killer's body without the need of a box.
Rather depends on the type of knife:

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A carpenter's or cooper's draw knife measures 18" by 6". (At least mine does). This one has folding handles but some (mine included) do not.
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Handy if he planned to fillet them, but otherwise....
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If the respective witness testimonies were to be believed, then the Ripper might have been in more than one occasion carrying a parcel wrapped in paper while murdering his victim. Then this parcel could have been regarded as part of his modus operandi. But I just can't figure out why the cumbersome way of carrying his belongings. His likely tools, such as a knife and a pair of gloves, could be easily fit inside his coat pockets or hidden in the inner layers of his clothing. Why risk carrying something that might be remembered or identified? He couldn't use a regular bag, since it might have distinctive features that could be remembered or identified. So he likely used a nondescript container, and even wrapped it with paper to cover up any possible slightest memorable feature on the outside of the container. It seemed he took considerable effort in creating this parcel. And if so, his purpose must have been to hold something fairly important too. A jar for holding a kidney, perhaps. A lamp. A piece of chalk. Towel to wipe his hands. If indeed he was carrying items like that, he would also need to carry them back with him as he was leaving the crime scene. He would risk being seen with the parcel again, of course. Or maybe he had ways to discard it before he went back home.
It is worth noting that for this thread supposition there exists within the known evidence an incident where a witness saw someone walk past a murder scene carrying a black bag resembling that of a doctors that did not contain any medicines or medical paraphernalia, but rather empty cigarette cartons. That in and of itself is proof at least one person on the night of The so called Double Event was about after midnight and carrying something that could be used for transporting organs and bloodied cloth, just as innocently and as easily as it could cigarette cartons.
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It is worth noting that for this thread supposition there exists within the known evidence an incident where a witness saw someone walk past a murder scene carrying a black bag resembling that of a doctors that did not contain any medicines or medical paraphernalia, but rather empty cigarette cartons. That in and of itself is proof at least one person on the night of The so called Double Event was about after midnight and carrying something that could be used for transporting organs and bloodied cloth, just as innocently and as easily as it could cigarette cartons.
Had the man been stopped in the street and searched, then yes we could say his bag did contain empty cigarette cases. That is not how events unfolded, wasn't it the next day, or later, that he went to the police of his own volition and told them what the bag contained, or perhaps showed them what was in the bag now.
I'm not at all saying this guy should have been a suspect, but his story is hardly convincing the way it really played out.
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