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Old 04-18-2012, 04:42 PM
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Here's the photo that was embedded in the link I posted. This is a fresh tar ball, but you can see the sand and other fine material it's already incorporated. Note the ropy bit along the top left side.

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The source for this photo is the following article:

http://naturescrusaders.wordpress.co...beach-near-you

I'm not 100% certain that black material in your photo is a tar ball, but parts of it definitely have a layered appearance, almost shale-like in appearance.
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For those researching the Titanic, this may be helpful :

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/heritage/titanic/crew/map/
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That was supposed to be 'ropy bit' on the right side.


Thanks, Robert, for the link.
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I have one of those coats. They are indeed quite tough. Able to stand up to decades of hard wear and abuse.

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I was trying to make out what the bluish green object was below the boot in Post 402. I'm wondering if it's the remains of a hip flask, which imploded under the pressure when it sank to that depth.

In Post 401 there's an object above the boot which looks as though it has a floral pattern and a handle - an oilskin wash-bag perhaps? Not sure.

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My grandfather sailed with the White Star line for years on the Mauretania and the Olympic as a First class steward. When he told my grandma (born in 188!) that he was to be on the Titanic she was sooooo impressed- Now- following a 'night' in Liverpool he missed the boat train and hence the 'boat' she was a very angry woman...8 days later she was a very happy woman when he came back alive to Southampton...unlike 500 others!!! Later he had a similar experience in Manchester- and missed the Lusitania!!! Charmed me!!
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Hello Suzy,

Your grandfather was luckier than one other person. Millionaire Alfred Vanderbilt was supposed to sail on the Titanic, but had to cancel at the last minute. It was lucky for him because he could not swim. Three years later he proved the fatality of that when he was on the Lusitania. Vanderbilt was not the only prominent millionaire who cancelled and survived. Mr. Henry Clay Frick (whose home and art collection remain a charming jewel in Manhattan on 5th Avenue) cancelled because his wife got sick. So did J. Pierpont Morgan (who was head of International Merchant Marine, which owned White Star). Morgan decided not to leave his French chateau for the maiden voyate (the Titanic had a special stateroom for him). Milton Hershey, of the chocolate company, also cancelled. An interesting sidelight was the historian and social critic Henry Adams. He was supposed to go to ENGLAND on the second trip of Titanic, and had his tickets. Of course he never used them.

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Graham - I am also in the process of reading The Sinking of J Bruce Ismay. If the reader is to be believed then yes, it does sound as if Lightoller was 'brown-nosing' Ismay.

After reading the first chapter, something occurred to me. After the Titanic sank, I wonder just how many of us would have consented to our lifeboat being turned around to go back for survivors?

It's a difficult one isn't it?
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Supposedly (and I wonder how true this is) many people in the boats recalled how in 1782 when HMS Royal George capsized and sank at Spithead anchorage, several boats tried to rescue some of the hundreds of sailors (many with their families on board that day) only to be overturned and lost with their crews as a result. More recently, in July 1898, a French liner, La Bourgoyne, had been in a collision off Sable Island, Nova Scotia. While it sank, many crew members had commandeered the lifeboats, and fought like beasts to prevent passengers in the water from getting into them. The loss (for that time) of 560 people was immense for an ocean liner disaster. Oddly enought, the same day (July 2nd) the battle of Santiago Bay in Cuba was won by a fleet under Admirals William Sampson and Winfield Schley. The Spaniard fleet under Admiral Cervera was destroyed, and a could of hundred Spanish sailors died, as well as one American. More died in the sinking of the ocean liner that same day.

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Hi all,

I saw the first sign that the Titanic's centennial was finished in the New York Times three weeks back. It was announced that Mr. Eric Larson signed to write his next non-fiction book, SEA OF MYSTERIES, and it would be about the sinking of the Lusitania.

My only question is if anyone will write a book about the Empress of Ireland first? For that matter will another book on the EASTLAND pop up too?

I have a note to bring forward here. 1912 is recalled for Captain Scott and his companions, and the Titanic tragedy. I noticed that it was the year that the dramatist August Strindberg and the novelist Bram Stoker both died. In the United States there was a remarkable once in history chance: Four first rate candidates running for President, of whom three became President:

Incumbent Republican: William Howard Taft
Progressive or "Bull Moose" ex-President: Theodore Roosevelt
Democrat: Woodrow Wilson
Socialist: Eugene Debs

It was a brutal election - Taft and Roosevelt had been friends but the latter felt the former betrayed the former's political policies. It literally ended with them calling each other names like "Honeyfugler" (Roosevelt called by Taft) and "Puzzlewit" (Taft called by Roosevelt).

Wilson had problems getting nominated (46 ballots!!) but his chief rival Champ Clark (Speaker of the House) miscalculated. He gave his version of a democratic liberal platorm.

Debs, the hero of labor for his work in the Pullman Strike, pushed a Socialist program.

Teddy would be shot by a nut named John Schrank in Milwaukee (Schrank disliked third term seekers). Roosevelt still delivered a speech he was scheduled to give, before going to the hospital.

Taft (who knew he'd lose - but wanted to make sure so would Roosevelt) lost his Vice President John S. Sherman a week before the election Nicholas Murray Butler agreed to replace Sherman, after being assured that Taft and he would lose (Butler was head of Columbia University).

Wilson won.

Finally in September 1912 a dreadful typhoon hit the Sea of Japan and the Chinese Seas. A Japanese liner was lost with over 1000 passengers. I know of no accounts of this tragedy that have ever been published.

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The 40th anniversary of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald is the 10th of this month and gave us song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A
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I see that the tragically lost container ship, that was sunk in that hurricane last month, was finally located at a depth of 15,000 feet (further than the Titanic) off Bermuda. Sad for the 33 souls lost on her, but at least now they know her location (so she won't enter the "Bermuda Triangle" nonsense). The wreck will be visited by underwater, unmanned submergibles that will photograph the wreck and seek out the ship's black boxes.

Amazing how fast they found this ship in comparison to that missing Malaysian airliner, which so far has only yielded some wreckage on the island of Reunion in the Indian Ocean. But the container ship's last position was better established.
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