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Old 03-25-2016, 01:03 PM
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Davies, Kellys thousands of them but am researching Mary Davies

Will keep you all posted if Mary Davies brothel keeper, yields anything interesting from the research.


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Old 03-26-2016, 11:04 AM
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This is what I have got so far: Mary Davies age 40 was living at no 1 Homfray St in 1881. She is living with her husband David Davies age 46, a boiler maker and three children, Elizabeth age 19 [ married husband at sea] and grand daughter Martha age three months,Thomas age 14 and James age 12. Davies was not the father of the children, she married him in Cardiff in 1870. In the 71 census the children are described as stepchildren and Mary Davies first husband was Chandler.No1 is the house that was a brothel by 1883 and Davies living opposite. The whole of one side of the street had a reputation for brothels, even as late as the 1890s.

At number 3 is another Davies, Thomas, a seaman age 23, unmarried living with his mother Harriet and sister.

At number 19 is the 16 year old Mary Ann Kelly, daughter of John, a labourer.
Yes I know she was born in Cardiff but her parents were born in Ireland. She has gone by the 91 census. So there are as many Kellys and Davies as fish in the sea, buuutt for weaving a story out of knowns and unknowns. There is enough there.

I am looking into the first marriage of Davies.

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Old 03-26-2016, 06:42 PM
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This is what I have got so far: Mary Davies age 40 was living at no 1 Homfray St in 1881. She is living with her husband David Davies age 46, a boiler maker and three children, Elizabeth age 19 [ married husband at sea] and grand daughter Martha age three months,Thomas age 14 and James age 12. Davies was not the father of the children, she married him in Cardiff in 1870. In the 71 census the children are described as stepchildren and Mary Davies first husband was Chandler.No1 is the house that was a brothel by 1883 and Davies living opposite. The whole of one side of the street had a reputation for brothels, even as late as the 1890s.

At number 3 is another Davies, Thomas, a seaman age 23, unmarried living with his mother Harriet and sister.

At number 19 is the 16 year old Mary Ann Kelly, daughter of John, a labourer.
Yes I know she was born in Cardiff but her parents were born in Ireland. She has gone by the 91 census. So there are as many Kellys and Davies as fish in the sea, buuutt for weaving a story out of knowns and unknowns. There is enough there.

I am looking into the first marriage of Davies.

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Hi Miss Marple,
The 1871 Mary Davies you mention may not be the same as the one in the 1881 Census. In 1871 her husband David Davies was 43 and born in Llandaff, Glamorganshire, Wales. In 1881 the children seem to have adopted the name Davies but the father David has stopped time because he is only 46 when he should be 53. He is also listed as being born in Newport, different from the David of 1871. While Mary is showing the right age (40) and the right birth location, and the children's first names are the same, except they've lost the Chandler designation. Any thoughts on this?
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There is a different birth for Davies and age but that is not significant, in 71 census it is struck though, ther are often mistakes in age and birthplace. Mary has the same birthplace in both censuses,the children, Elizabeth, Thomas and James match exactly in both census in age and birthplace and Davies occupation is the same in both census

Mary Ann Chandler was convicted of running a brothel in Bridge st Cardiff on 22 Feb 1868, as she refused to give it up she was sentenced to one month with hard labour. When married to Davies she is running a brothel in Homfrey st later . She was a persistant offender. When she married Davies in 1870 as the children were described as step children in 71 census, the Chandler name was put down. By 81 the boys were Davies and the daughter was married.There is nothing complicated about it. Its quite straightfoward.

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Any idea what happened to Elizabeth Davies?
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What about the Mary Kelly that appears in Cardiff in the 1881 Census as a nurse? She's living on St Mary's St and was born in 1864. I remember reading that Mary may have spent some time in an infirmary there. Perhaps it wasn't for illness but for training and she came out of it as a nurse?
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Mystery Singer, do you mean Mary's daughter who was supposely married to an absent seaman with the 3 month daughter martha in 1881? I have not looked into her yet . One of her brother's died young, finding birth certs for them is a blank so far they may not have been registered or could have been illigitimate.
My focus is on Mary Chandler/Davies. i have just ordered her marriage certificate with Davies.

Suspect Zero The Mary Kelly in 81 who was nurse is not relevant to my enquiry. MK was not a trained person and from her history never worked, except on her back.
The MK age 16 of no occupation is far more interesting, living a few doors away from a bunch of Davies and a brothel, as her decline into prostitution started in Cardiff. Again the family of John and Margaret is hard to trace so far no birth certs or marriage, they may have marriedin Ireland, but I am still on the case, more to be discovered.

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Mystery Singer, do you mean Mary's daughter who was supposely married to an absent seaman with the 3 month daughter martha in 1881? I have not looked into her yet . One of her brother's died young, finding birth certs for them is a blank so far they may not have been registered or could have been illigitimate.
My focus is on Mary Chandler/Davies. i have just ordered her marriage certificate with Davies.

Suspect Zero The Mary Kelly in 81 who was nurse is not relevant to my enquiry. MK was not a trained person and from her history never worked, except on her back.
The MK age 16 of no occupation is far more interesting, living a few doors away from a bunch of Davies and a brothel, as her decline into prostitution started in Cardiff. Again the family of John and Margaret is hard to trace so far no birth certs or marriage, they may have marriedin Ireland, but I am still on the case, more to be discovered.

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Miss M,

Have you discounted the possible John Kelly/Margaret Lewis marriage in Cardiff in June q. 1849? That would be just over a year prior to the birth of Bridget as per the 1851 census.

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Hi mrBarnett,

Have you got the details of the 1851 Census entry? For John and Margaret?


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Hi mrBarnett,

Have you got the details of the 1851 Census entry? For John and Margaret?


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I think so. They were living in Waterloo Place: John, 26, a labourer and Margaret, 28, both born in Ireland. One child, Bridget, 1, born in Cardiff.
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