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Old 11-02-2017, 09:13 AM
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I would think its a given someone bought Kate drinks, and she is in jail long before any street walkers started their businesses up for the night. .
They didn`t just operate at night, Michael
Look at Annie Farmer and the time she picked her man up and went back to George St.

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Why would someone buy her drinks if not... a) at the very least an acquaintance, or b) he is trying to get her drunk for some reason. My bet would be that he was trying to find out how much she knew, in relation to her claim to her ex landlady about giving the Police a name she believed was the killer at large. .
You are kidding, Mike?

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Polly seemed to believe her doss would come from soliciting, since she had made and spent her bed money a few times already. .
She didn`t say that, though, did she ?
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Just reading about another 1888 murder (the killing of Percy Serle in Havant), which was committed with a clasp knife having two blades - could this be a simple solution for the two sizes of wounds to Tabram?
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Just reading about another 1888 murder (the killing of Percy Serle in Havant), which was committed with a clasp knife having two blades - could this be a simple solution for the two sizes of wounds to Tabram?
Perhaps the Swiss Army was in town

Seriously, though, that's a good suggestion, Josh.
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Just reading about another 1888 murder (the killing of Percy Serle in Havant), which was committed with a clasp knife having two blades - could this be a simple solution for the two sizes of wounds to Tabram?
I just had a vision of the killer with a giant swiss army knife
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Just reading about another 1888 murder (the killing of Percy Serle in Havant), which was committed with a clasp knife having two blades - could this be a simple solution for the two sizes of wounds to Tabram?
Wouldn't Kelleen have known that though?
Clasp-knife/pen-knife wounds were probably not rare in those days.

A dagger blade was something like twice the width of a penknife.
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Wouldn't Kelleen have known that though?
Clasp-knife/pen-knife wounds were probably not rare in those days.

A dagger blade was something like twice the width of a penknife.
Well, usually the blades on a clasp knife would be different sizes, a small pen blade and a larger pointed blade. And in Bond's profile he suggests Jack used "a strong knife at least six inches long, very sharp, pointed at the top about an inch in width. It may have been a clasp knife, a butcher's knife or a surgeon's knife."
Which sounds like it could have been sturdy enough to deal Tabram a blow to the heart.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:43 AM
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They didn`t just operate at night, Michael
Look at Annie Farmer and the time she picked her man up and went back to George St.


She is either drinking that afternoon or working that afternoon, and the state she is in when picked up suggests the former.


You are kidding, Mike?

Not saying its THE answer, just that based on that story she might well have been trying to extort some money from the party she intended to finger first. The reward money might have paled in comparison with a blackmail settlement.

She didn`t say that, though, did she ?

She said she had earned and spent her doss a few times over, and she had no other occupation that she plied after midnight that I'm aware of. It within the known and accepted data that Polly, and Annie, spoke to witnesses whose statements indicate both women were actively soliciting on the nights they were killed. There is no such evidence, unless Hutchinson clears things up for you, that any other Canonical was actively doing the same.
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Well, usually the blades on a clasp knife would be different sizes, a small pen blade and a larger pointed blade. And in Bond's profile he suggests Jack used "a strong knife at least six inches long, very sharp, pointed at the top about an inch in width. It may have been a clasp knife, a butcher's knife or a surgeon's knife."
Which sounds like it could have been sturdy enough to deal Tabram a blow to the heart.
I have a relatively large antique knife collection, daggers, bayonets, short swords, pocket knives of every variety, and Ive not come across one that has a blade capable of inflicting a dagger sized wound in a folding format.
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She is either drinking that afternoon or working that afternoon, and the state she is in when picked up suggests the former.
Didn`t people in Eddowes situation have to "work" to be able to drink, and drinking was part of working (ie. they had to get drinks bought for them or be given the money directly).

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Not saying its THE answer, just that based on that story she might well have been trying to extort some money from the party she intended to finger first. The reward money might have paled in comparison with a blackmail settlement.
Fair enough.

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She said she had earned and spent her doss a few times over, and she had no other occupation that she plied after midnight that I'm aware of. It within the known and accepted data that Polly, and Annie, spoke to witnesses whose statements indicate both women were actively soliciting on the nights they were killed. There is no such evidence, unless Hutchinson clears things up for you, that any other Canonical was actively doing the same.
But, Chapman and Nichols didn`t say "I`m off to find a man for money".
Chapman may have been looking for Ted Stanley to borrow some money, and Nichols may have been looking for whomever bought her drinks earlier in the evening.
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Which came first Pearly Pol's soldier story or the post mortem?

Kelleene's mention of "Sword Bayonet or Dagger" always seemed to be pointing towards the soldier story, perhaps the good Doctor was influenced with the direction of his findings.
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