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Old 10-30-2017, 04:08 AM
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One of the more plausible scenarios involving the mob and cia, is the ex Cuban patriot scenario.

Both the ex Cuban patriots and cia were pissed at JFK for not following through with air support when the pay of pigs fiasco fell apart. So after that The cia was using the ex patriots, many who had mob ties from the pre Castro Cuba casino glory days, to try to assissinate castro. When they could not get Castro , they went after the next best target, JFK, and it got turned around on him.
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Typo or Freudian slip?
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I am looking at the autopsy report of Jack Kennedy.
The first paragraph at the top of page 4 offers the description of the head wound at the rear.
This is what we have always believed was the entry wound.
https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...ppendix-09.pdf

The autopsy does not describe a puncture, penetrating or perforating wound, but a lacerating wound which measures 15 x 6 mm.
A lacerating wound is a tear in the skin, a penetrating bullet wound is not a lacerating wound.

Can someone clarify why this is described that way?


I'm trying to find a description of the diameter of the entry wound to the head.
We are told the bullets used were 6.5 mm, yet this rear entry wound is given as 6 mm wide, how can a bullet 6.5 mm in diameter make a 6 mm entry wound?
What am I missing?
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Old 10-30-2017, 03:58 PM
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I am looking at the autopsy report of Jack Kennedy.
The first paragraph at the top of page 4 offers the description of the head wound at the rear.
This is what we have always believed was the entry wound.
https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...ppendix-09.pdf

The autopsy does not describe a puncture, penetrating or perforating wound, but a lacerating wound which measures 15 x 6 mm.
A lacerating wound is a tear in the skin, a penetrating bullet wound is not a lacerating wound.

Can someone clarify why this is described that way?


I'm trying to find a description of the diameter of the entry wound to the head.
We are told the bullets used were 6.5 mm, yet this rear entry wound is given as 6 mm wide, how can a bullet 6.5 mm in diameter make a 6 mm entry wound?
What am I missing?
Wish I could help Jon but I’m useless with medical stuff and I don’t have any JFK books with me. It does appear to be a strange way of describing the wound though.
I once struggled through a book called Best Evidence by David Lipton which was around 600 pages of dense medical stuff about the possible ‘surgical alteration’ of the head wounds. I still have the mental scars from that experience.
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Old 10-30-2017, 05:21 PM
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I am looking at the autopsy report of Jack Kennedy.
The first paragraph at the top of page 4 offers the description of the head wound at the rear.
This is what we have always believed was the entry wound.
https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...ppendix-09.pdf

The autopsy does not describe a puncture, penetrating or perforating wound, but a lacerating wound which measures 15 x 6 mm.
A lacerating wound is a tear in the skin, a penetrating bullet wound is not a lacerating wound.

Can someone clarify why this is described that way?


I'm trying to find a description of the diameter of the entry wound to the head.
We are told the bullets used were 6.5 mm, yet this rear entry wound is given as 6 mm wide, how can a bullet 6.5 mm in diameter make a 6 mm entry wound?
What am I missing?
Seems like a pretty legit description to me, Jon. I used to do a bit of target shooting and the bullet hole was always slightly smaller than the bullet diameter. That was paper targets, mind, not flesh and bone. But this site seems to confirm it;

http://m.forensicmed.webnode.com/wou...ifled-weapons/

"When a bullet hits the skin surface, it causes indentation before perforation. Following perforation, elasticity causes the skin to recoil, and the resulting round, circular defect is of a slightly smaller diameter to that of the bullet. An accurate estimation of the calibre size cannot therefore be made from measuring the radius of the wound, unlike in the movies!"


"Higher velocity bullet wounds may exhibit less of an abrasion collar, but may have minute tears around the wound entrance. If the wound is made over bone, the defect may not be circular at all – these wounds tend to be stellate in shape with ragged and torn edges caused by the overstretching of skin and tearing under tension (Dana and DiMaio 1999)."

"The outer table of the skull, for example is punched inwards, creating a circular defect (or a ‘keyhole’ defect if the angle was less than perpendicular), whilst the inner table exhibits a rough chipped or bevelled defect where the amount of bone displaced covers a larger area than that lost at the outer table."
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Hi Joshua, thankyou for that link.
There is also another sentence which might describe the elongated wound in the skull (15mm x 6mm)

At the end of a bullets range it begins to lose axial stability and may tend to yaw and possible tumble end-over-end. If this happens, or if the bullet strikes an intermediate target (including another part of the victims body in a re-entrant wound) and becomes deformed, the resultant entry wound may be very irregular, or even slit-like, and not resemble an entrance wound at all.

Read more: http://m.forensicmed.webnode.com/wou...ifled-weapons/

The fact the hole appears to be elongated made me think the bullet was tumbling at this point, but I wondered if that was due to it striking something else first, apparently not. It is a natural result of instability at the end of its range of accuracy.
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The fact the hole appears to be elongated made me think the bullet was tumbling at this point, but I wondered if that was due to it striking something else first, apparently not. It is a natural result of instability at the end of its range of accuracy.
Possibly, but I'm not sure the distances involved were anything like the maximum range of a rifle bullet. More likely the elongated entry hole was a result of the angle at which the skull was struck, the "keyhole" effect mentioned above.
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Possibly, but I'm not sure the distances involved were anything like the maximum range of a rifle bullet. More likely the elongated entry hole was a result of the angle at which the skull was struck, the "keyhole" effect mentioned above.
If you look at page 3 (Autopsy report), second paragraph, we can read the description of the wound in his back. This was also elongated 7 mm x 4 mm.

We have the same problem, an oval shaped entry wound.
Yet the position of the shooter (TSBD), seems to be directly behind the President. Both wounds should be close to circular, there doesn't seem to be an angle involved.

If a 6.5 mm bullet can make a 6 mm entry, then what about a 6.5 mm bullet making a 4 mm entry?

Then we have the apparent fact that these bullets, which the single-shooter theory require, are the same caliber yet they react so differently.
The bullet to the head explodes inside the skull, bullet fragments are retrieved from the brain tissue, so we know it broke up.
However, the bullet to his back, which struck several bones, exited without breaking up, and left an entry hole 4 mm wide, then went through Connolly and ended up still intact.

Some have speculated that these wounds were produced by two different caliber bullets.
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CIA wondered if Oswald's passport request was for escape after assassination.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/politi...sas/index.html

CIA also missed seeing Oswald's visit to Russian embassy because they weren't watching it on a Saturday, which is when he went. They ended up requesting more resources and people for future surveillance of "both the Sov and Cuban embassies"
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