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Reminds me of Konrad Kujau who forged the Hitler Diaries, and decided to emboss the cover of each volume with the letters "AH". Unfortunately, he didn't quite understand the ornate Olde English lettering, and used "FH" by mistake. The "FH" used by Kujau is at the top of the image below, but the bottom is what "AH" really looks like in that font:

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Remarkably, none of the experts hired to verify the Hitler Diaries seem to have spotted this, yet the initials appeared on volume after volume after volume.
That's the problem with Olde English Sam. Even the 'h' doesn't look much like an 'h' to me.
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Was there ever any diary, written by a person of fame, that was discovered only after that persons death - and that was NOT a fake? Hitler, Mussolini, Maybrick, Abberline ...
Anne Frank?

And much like Maybrick her fame came from the diary itself.
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Samuel Pepys is probably the most famous. In the uk at least.
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Samuel Pepys is probably the most famous.
I'm here to tell you that it didn't match his handwriting.

... that's because he wrote it in shorthand. Tee hee!

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Just a question that surfaced when reading barnflatwyngardes post:

Was there ever any diary, written by a person of fame, that was discovered only after that persons death - and that was NOT a fake? Hitler, Mussolini, Maybrick, Abberline ...
This link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_and_journals
makes for refreshing reading.
I think the Orton Diaries only came to light a few years after his death.
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I'm here to tell you that it didn't match his handwriting.

... that's because he wrote it in shorthand. Tee hee!

(Strange but true)
after the first sentence I was thinking ' does Sam think that all diaries are forgeries '

I knew that Pepys diary was written in shorthand but I've never actually seen it. I've read the translation though. I'll have to check online for any pics.
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"Remarkably, none of the experts hired to verify the Hitler Diaries seem to have spotted this, yet the initials appeared on volume after volume after volume."

Hello Sam,

I think the experts started to become suspicious when Hitler stated he only invaded Poland to impress Jodie Foster.

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I think the experts started to become suspicious when Hitler stated he only invaded Poland to impress Jodie Foster.
Wouldn't we all? She's an amazing woman, that's for sure
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September 1st. Frequented my opera house. Good news from Poland.

Decided to change my name to Fred. Trigger Chamberlain's been calling me that for years, so why not?

Oh-oh. Changed my mind. As soon as he heard about Fred, that little crawler Himmler changed his to Sid, and now Goering's gone and changed his to Wayne. Bloody sycophants!
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I think the Orton Diaries only came to light a few years after his death.
I think that it was known during Ortons lifetime that he was writing a diary. What I am after is people of fame where it is not known that they do keep a diary, and when such a diary surfaces only after they died.

Whenever that happens, it seems the odds are very much in favour of a forgery. I´m sure that there can be exceptions to the rule, but my overall feeling is that there are a lot more forgers than there are famous people writing secret diaries.
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