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Hmm.. I remember being taught that countries had accents, and regions were dialects.
For example, you can have a Welsh accent, but not a Cardiff accent.
There is definitely a Cardiff accent, Jon, just as there is a Bristol accent, a Glasgow accent, a Birmingham accent, etc. Indeed, there are probably variations in accent even within cities (east v west, north v south).

Accents are how speech sounds, but dialects have more to do with vocabulary and grammar. The accent sings the song, but the dialect can change the words.
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Gareth, which area of Wales would you say Talfryn Thomas's Mr Cheeseman was from?
Oddly enough, Rob, I'm going through a Doctor Who phase at the moment, and was only yesterday watching the first Pertwee adventure, Spearhead from Space, in which Talfryn Thomas appeared as a shifty hospital porter.

All the Internet sources say that he was born in Swansea, but which part of Swansea they don't say. Swansea's catchment area covers a wide radius, and he could well have been from one of the towns or villages in the Swansea Valley, where the accents are much thicker.
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Thanks Gareth.
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Oddly enough, Rob, I'm going through a Doctor Who phase at the moment, and was only yesterday watching the first Pertwee adventure, Spearhead from Space, in which Talfryn Thomas appeared as a shifty hospital porter.
Talking of Dr Who, I only remember him properly as Tom Price from Survivors (the original version). It was thanks to that program that I spent half my childhood looking forward to the end of civilization.
Sorry, no idea where he was born though.
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Joshua he was in a very funny BBC schools TV production of 'The Government Inspector' (Gogol) back in the 70s, with one Martin Howells among others.
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Joshua he was in a very funny BBC schools TV production of 'The Government Inspector' (Gogol) back in the 70s, with one Martin Howells among others.
God, yes! I remember that, too.
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Brilliant, wasn't it? I had it on video but inevitably it gradually got taped over. I loved the way Richard Davies said "Saw that Owen Bowen and I were eating salmon" (which he mentioned because he suspected that the young man was already sniffing corruption - when actually the young man was ravenously hungry because he'd gambled all his money away and the landlord was refusing to be fleeced any longer). And David Pugh says "And he come here on St Valentine's Day" with a very heavy wink and John Clive says "Significant!"

So many delightful touches ("Please allow me to place before you my...my presence") and the repeated reading of the bit in the young man's letter where he calls the mayor a stupid old donkey.

There's a bit where Robin Nedwell gazes at a disgusting piece of meat on the prongs of his fork, then flicks it over his shoulder and Jack Wild catches it. I wonder how many takes that took.

I'd buy it if it was available but sadly it seems not to be.
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The accent sings the song, but the dialect can change the words.
You mean the different ways we use the hard part of the neck.
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I couldn't possibly comment, Jon
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