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Old 11-16-2016, 11:45 PM
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Default Apron placement as intimidation?

Just an idea floating through my head this morning --

Perhaps the placement of the bloody apron at the exact place it was left was meant to intimidate a specific person?

I mean if you want to drop off a bloody apron an hour after a murder, then a location 5 minutes away from the scene makes little sense or is hard to understand at the best of times.

The killer also had seemingly endless potential dump sites for the apron in the area.

Just got me wondering if there was someone in the building the killer wanted to scare or send a message to.

I mean, it could well be that the apron and graffiti have been terrible red herrings all these years -- the killer used the apron for some purpose and dumped it next to some graffiti. That's actually been my default assumption for years now.

But I think it's good to go back and look again and question...

I'm assuming the police probably checked out that property very thoroughly and spoke to residents there. So who was living there?

It could be just to unsettle the Jewish tenants there, but, I can imagine a killer getting his jollies dropping such an item at the doorstep of someone he had some personal direct beef against...
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:44 AM
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Just an idea floating through my head this morning --

Perhaps the placement of the bloody apron at the exact place it was left was meant to intimidate a specific person?

I mean if you want to drop off a bloody apron an hour after a murder, then a location 5 minutes away from the scene makes little sense or is hard to understand at the best of times.

The killer also had seemingly endless potential dump sites for the apron in the area.

Just got me wondering if there was someone in the building the killer wanted to scare or send a message to.

I mean, it could well be that the apron and graffiti have been terrible red herrings all these years -- the killer used the apron for some purpose and dumped it next to some graffiti. That's actually been my default assumption for years now.

But I think it's good to go back and look again and question...

I'm assuming the police probably checked out that property very thoroughly and spoke to residents there. So who was living there?

It could be just to unsettle the Jewish tenants there, but, I can imagine a killer getting his jollies dropping such an item at the doorstep of someone he had some personal direct beef against...
Hi Charles,

What happens if you analyze the data from the perspective of the concept of "closeness"?

Was the apron close to the murder site?

Was the GSG close to the murder site?

Was the apron close to the GSG?

If some time passed between the murder and the visit in Goulston Street, how come you get the results you get from your analysis?

Regards, Pierre
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I assume we are talking about a garment like this? If so, its easy to see why there could have been 2 pieces, each with a string still attached.
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I assume we are talking about a garment like this? If so, its easy to see why there could have been 2 pieces, each with a string still attached.
Similar but probably plain calico rather than any fancy work.
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Hi,
Of course, there remains the possibility that JTR just threw the rag down anywhere without giving it a second thought about it being found or noticed.
Maybe he lived in Goulston Street and discarded it just before going in doors.

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Default Another explanation?

i quite like the theory that the bloody apron was left by Eddowes herself as she walked the streets looking for customers; similar cloths were used by women as sanitary pads and I don't think it's impossible to imagine her discarding it when it became totally soiled.
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Just an idea floating through my head this morning --

Perhaps the placement of the bloody apron at the exact place it was left was meant to intimidate a specific person?

I mean if you want to drop off a bloody apron an hour after a murder, then a location 5 minutes away from the scene makes little sense or is hard to understand at the best of times.

The killer also had seemingly endless potential dump sites for the apron in the area.

Just got me wondering if there was someone in the building the killer wanted to scare or send a message to.

I mean, it could well be that the apron and graffiti have been terrible red herrings all these years -- the killer used the apron for some purpose and dumped it next to some graffiti. That's actually been my default assumption for years now.

But I think it's good to go back and look again and question...

I'm assuming the police probably checked out that property very thoroughly and spoke to residents there. So who was living there?

It could be just to unsettle the Jewish tenants there, but, I can imagine a killer getting his jollies dropping such an item at the doorstep of someone he had some personal direct beef against...
Hi Charles,

The occupancy at the Model Homes off Goulston was almost 100% Jewish, and there may be a link to the International Club on Berner hidden in there. The cloth as a message, or as a sample of proof of the authors authenticity, is something Ive considered for sometime now. And an interpretation of the GSG would support that idea..." The Jewes(on Berner St at the club) are not the ones who will be blamed for nothing (no good reason)". Or they should be blamed, for good reason.

The apron section would be the proof that the killer of Mitre Square left the message, and coupled with the message, proof that he claimed to have only killed one person that night. When looking at The Lusk Letter it seems to me to have that kind of message...one woman killed by the man everyone suspects was Jack on the night Kates kidney was taken.

I tend to support Longs assertion that "It was not there" when he first passed the entrance.
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