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Francis Thompson. I'll give my reasons when I've a bit more time!
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Francis Thompson. I'll give my reasons when I've a bit more time!
Would certainly not say impossible, look forward to hearing your reasons John.


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Would certainly not say impossible, look forward to hearing your reasons John.


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Thanks mayer
Fascinating.

But weren't Deeming and cream ruled out? Deeming was in south Africa or on a ship and cream was in prison? right?

whos mary pearcy? and whats the case for her?
Hi Abby,

Cream has been ruled out (tough he was in Joliet Prison at the time), but I said as a Criminal Historian, studying his career is interesting.

Deeming was all over the globe in 1888, but the story about him being on a ship in Suez or such seems moonshine. That does mean much, though (you'll note I have strong reservations about him). I am under the impression he was in London in October 1888, and may have been responsible for the double event. But I'd put more faith in jumping off a cliff tied to a bungy cord (secured to a strong tree) than on "Mad Fred's" guilt.

Mary Eleanor Wheeler Pearcy was a woman who resided in London in 1890 near Hampstead. She hated her successful rival Phoebe Hogg (who married Frank Hogg, whom had also dated Mary), and arranged the visit of Phoebe with her baby to the Hampstead abode. There she attacked and killed Phoebe very bloodily, put Phoebe's body on top of the baby girl's (who was smothered as a result) and after dark transported the two corpses in the parambulator to a dropping off point on the Heath. They were discovered the next day, and the crime was initially ascribed to the Ripper in some newspapers, but soon the identity of the victims led the police to Mrs. Pearcy's home. There they found her walls bespattered by blood, and while questioning her (she appears to have been playing the piano while questioned) asked the cause of the blood. They got the historical answer, "I've been killing mice, killing mice, killing mice!" She was arrested, tried for the two murders, found guilty, and executed. Hogg refused to visit her in prison, which depressed her. Before her death she had her solicitor put an add in some newspaper, that was addressed by her (using her initials) to him or her (using his or her initials) saying that she had not betrayed the recipient or this particular message. F. Tennyson Jesse in her account of the Pearcy-Hogg Tragedy (in her "Murder and It's Motives" which also has a good account on Cream) feels that the lady may have just read of this done in some novel and copied it (that there was no particular recipient who would appreciate and understand it). As you can see, the "Ripper" connection is vague at best, and was quickly dropped when the actual connection of Mrs. Pearcy and her victim found. But occasionally she pops up as a suspect as "Jill the Ripper" because Phoebe Hogg was so horribly killed and Mrs. Pearcy had been (and perhaps still was) a prostitute.

Her only rival for possible "Jill the Ripper" among known female murder suspects is the 1896 baby farmer murderer,. Mrs. Anna Dyer. But Mrs. Dyer did concentrate only on babies. She also just strangled them.

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The later date, MM memorandum was direct reply to sun, whom it was written for is open to question, one assumes for home secretary if questions ever asked.

The sun published a series of articles, not just the one.,

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Thanks!
If his crimes were committed in 1891-why did the sun take so long to report them?
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Francis Thompson. I'll give my reasons when I've a bit more time!
me too. Ive always found him an intriguing character.
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Hi Abby,

Cream has been ruled out (tough he was in Joliet Prison at the time), but I said as a Criminal Historian, studying his career is interesting.

Deeming was all over the globe in 1888, but the story about him being on a ship in Suez or such seems moonshine. That does mean much, though (you'll note I have strong reservations about him). I am under the impression he was in London in October 1888, and may have been responsible for the double event. But I'd put more faith in jumping off a cliff tied to a bungy cord (secured to a strong tree) than on "Mad Fred's" guilt.

Mary Eleanor Wheeler Pearcy was a woman who resided in London in 1890 near Hampstead. She hated her successful rival Phoebe Hogg (who married Frank Hogg, whom had also dated Mary), and arranged the visit of Phoebe with her baby to the Hampstead abode. There she attacked and killed Phoebe very bloodily, put Phoebe's body on top of the baby girl's (who was smothered as a result) and after dark transported the two corpses in the parambulator to a dropping off point on the Heath. They were discovered the next day, and the crime was initially ascribed to the Ripper in some newspapers, but soon the identity of the victims led the police to Mrs. Pearcy's home. There they found her walls bespattered by blood, and while questioning her (she appears to have been playing the piano while questioned) asked the cause of the blood. They got the historical answer, "I've been killing mice, killing mice, killing mice!" She was arrested, tried for the two murders, found guilty, and executed. Hogg refused to visit her in prison, which depressed her. Before her death she had her solicitor put an add in some newspaper, that was addressed by her (using her initials) to him or her (using his or her initials) saying that she had not betrayed the recipient or this particular message. F. Tennyson Jesse in her account of the Pearcy-Hogg Tragedy (in her "Murder and It's Motives" which also has a good account on Cream) feels that the lady may have just read of this done in some novel and copied it (that there was no particular recipient who would appreciate and understand it). As you can see, the "Ripper" connection is vague at best, and was quickly dropped when the actual connection of Mrs. Pearcy and her victim found. But occasionally she pops up as a suspect as "Jill the Ripper" because Phoebe Hogg was so horribly killed and Mrs. Pearcy had been (and perhaps still was) a prostitute.

Her only rival for possible "Jill the Ripper" among known female murder suspects is the 1896 baby farmer murderer,. Mrs. Anna Dyer. But Mrs. Dyer did concentrate only on babies. She also just strangled them.

Jeff
Thanks mayer
fascinating.
however, I totally discount that the ripper was female.

And until someone can show Deming was in London during the times of the murder hes out IMHO.
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Thanks!
If his crimes were committed in 1891-why did the sun take so long to report them?
No you misunderstand I think Abby, the Sun was not reporting his crimes, it was a series of articles claiming that he was JtR, and that he was safely under lock and key.


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No you misunderstand I think Abby, the Sun was not reporting his crimes, it was a series of articles claiming that he was JtR, and that he was safely under lock and key.


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got it-thanks!!
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Hi.
I would say at the time of Mary Kelly's death, the killer was living in Dorset street, maybe the same for the others.
I would say that he made contact with Mary Kelly in daylight hours Nov 9th, having lost his chance during the hours of darkness, because of her picking up Astrakhan man.
Who the man was I have no idea, apart from him having prior knowledge of Kelly.
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