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Old 06-02-2016, 08:36 AM
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The suggestion that the vagina cartilage wall was cut. Are you not paying attention ?

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But there is no such thing as a cartilage wall in the vagina, Trevor. Has that not dawned on you yet? There is no cartilage at all in the vagina.
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The suggestion that the vagina cartilage wall was cut. Are you not paying attention ?

How do you know what he is using, a ridiculous statement to make

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I can't tell if you're joking or not.
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I can't tell if you're joking or not.
I wish I could - but Ive given up on the prospect...
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The suggestion that the vagina cartilage wall was cut. Are you not paying attention ?

How do you know what he is using, a ridiculous statement to make

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I think you did one too many headers in your past life, Trevor.

The source for Mr W Egan's description is Hebbert's lectures on forensics using the four torso cases,
A simple textual comparison between Mr W Egan's book and Hebbert's lecture, at the relevant bit describing the appearance of the Rainham torso shows the same observation introduced in the same order:
Small ovaries, rugae of the vagina, black hairs on the pubic area. There is then a difference where Hebbert describes the torso being opened by an incision from ensiform cartilage to pubes but Mr W Egan saying that an incision was made in to the vaginal wall's cartilage. Both then continue with the absence of echymosis around the incisions.

Further evidence is that Mr W Egan fails to mention that there was an incision from ribs to pubes and Hebbert doesn't mention an incision in the vagina.
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But there is no such thing as a cartilage wall in the vagina, Trevor. Has that not dawned on you yet? There is no cartilage at all in the vagina.
I think you wild find there is such a thing known as vaginal wall cartilage

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Why would anyone do a post mortem and then dismember a body and dump it in the Regent's Canal and Thames?
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Absolutely. They wouldn't and didn't.

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I think you did one too many headers in your past life, Trevor.

The source for Mr W Egan's description is Hebbert's lectures on forensics using the four torso cases,
A simple textual comparison between Mr W Egan's book and Hebbert's lecture, at the relevant bit describing the appearance of the Rainham torso shows the same observation introduced in the same order:
Small ovaries, rugae of the vagina, black hairs on the pubic area. There is then a difference where Hebbert describes the torso being opened by an incision from ensiform cartilage to pubes but Mr W Egan saying that an incision was made in to the vaginal wall's cartilage. Both then continue with the absence of echymosis around the incisions.

Further evidence is that Mr W Egan fails to mention that there was an incision from ribs to pubes and Hebbert doesn't mention an incision in the vagina.
Well the fact is it is there for consideration, and its an unusual comment to make. and note the absence of colons and flaps of skin being highlighted.

I guess it will be the same with this issue as it has been with many other of the contentious issues in Ripperology, Anything that goes against and threatens a persons theory will be rejected outright, despite other plausible explanations being available

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Well the fact is it is there for consideration, and its an unusual comment to make. and note the absence of colons and flaps of skin being highlighted.

I guess it will be the same with this issue as it has been with many other of the contentious issues in Ripperology, Anything that goes against and threatens a persons theory will be rejected outright, despite other plausible explanations being available

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He does mention the flaps that were removed, just as Hebbert did. In fact he mentions everything that Hebbert did apart from this one difference. I wonder why that is? The conclusion can only be that he misinterpreted the medical evidence about the mid line opening. Why do you think Mr W Egan omitted the very important observation that the body was opened up ribs to pubes as Hebbert says and that was the only thing he omitted? Why did Hebbert not observe this' incision into the vaginal wall's cartilage?'


Seriously Trevor, you are trying to wind us all up here, surely?
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Well the fact is it is there for consideration, and its an unusual comment to make. and note the absence of colons and flaps of skin being highlighted.
Fisherman is using the exact same observation made by Hebbert in the source information that Mr W Egan is using. Fisherman is looking for similarities to the JTR crimes as described by Hebbert, Mr W Egan is making his own conclusions based on Hebbert's observations. If you want to make a big thing that Fisherman and Mr W Egan's conclusions based on Hebbert's observations being different and suggesting that Mr W Egan is correct and Fisherman is wrong, perhaps you should also note that Mr W Egan calls all the torso cases 'murders' throughout and believes them to be linked as a series and possibly linked to JTR and at no time does he mention that these cases are the result of failed abortions or discarded anatomical specimens.
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I am too much of a gentleman to go looking for it, Trevor - and even if it was there, Debra just explained to you how Whittington-Egan got it wrong when quoting Hebbert.

You should ask your friend Biggs about that cartilage wall. It would make a nice change from the brick wall you represent.
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