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Old 05-29-2016, 09:47 AM
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Ah, ok. Sorry about that. It just goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:55 AM
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Ah, ok. Sorry about that. It just goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.
Or in books, for that matter. At least we can still trust the mainstream media.

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I was curious about her age mainly because of the coincidence of an American woman of the same name and apparently engaged in nefarious games, cons and thievery, in New York City in the 1870s. If I recall correctly from the book I found, she had disappeared from the scene (or was perhaps in prison) by the 1880s.

Both are interesting. Any new dirt on the London version, Tom?
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Old 05-29-2016, 12:30 PM
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I was curious about her age mainly because of the coincidence of an American woman of the same name and apparently engaged in nefarious games, cons and thievery, in New York City in the 1870s. If I recall correctly from the book I found, she had disappeared from the scene (or was perhaps in prison) by the 1880s.

Both are interesting. Any new dirt on the London version, Tom?
Hi Curious, as you might be aware, Debra Arif discovered a Pearly Poll trail in the infirmary registers later in 1888 and following years. I don't have the link right to hand but she posted it on the forums and probably here on Casebook. I've no doubt the woman she found is 'our' Pearly Poll. I plan to include this information (and other stuff that's come out since the book) in the future when I do a second edition of BHM. At the moment I'm planning that to coincide with the publication of my third Ripper book (at which time I'll no doubt have additions and corrections to make to my upcoming 2nd Ripper book).

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Hi Curious, as you might be aware, Debra Arif discovered a Pearly Poll trail in the infirmary registers later in 1888 and following years. I don't have the link right to hand but she posted it on the forums and probably here on Casebook. I've no doubt the woman she found is 'our' Pearly Poll. I plan to include this information (and other stuff that's come out since the book) in the future when I do a second edition of BHM. At the moment I'm planning that to coincide with the publication of my third Ripper book (at which time I'll no doubt have additions and corrections to make to my upcoming 2nd Ripper book).

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Hi, Tom,
Thanks, I was aware of the infirmary registers. If I recall, there was some discussion that Pearly Poll was likely too ill at the time of the murders to have been a participant . . .

Her ties to everyone is certainly peculiar.

This case just gets curiouser and curiouser.
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Here's two of them, Tom.
http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=17649
http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=23130

Curious- Wolf Vanderlinden also discovered the US criminal MA Connolly in Byrne's book a few years back when Ripper Notes was still on the go. IIRC that MAC died c 1892 but don't quote me on that.
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Hi, Tom,
Thanks, I was aware of the infirmary registers. If I recall, there was some discussion that Pearly Poll was likely too ill at the time of the murders to have been a participant . . .

Her ties to everyone is certainly peculiar.

This case just gets curiouser and curiouser.
The discussion was about the fact that if that was the same MA Connolly, then she was straight back in the Infirmary almost permanently after Martha Tabram's death and not around in Whitechapel. I haven't seen anyone dispute it was her...not even Tom!
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Quite possibly she was ill at the inquest, Debra. A lot of reports mention her husky, low voice. One (The East London Observer) goes further and says that;

"Her chest was "queer", she said, so the officer interpreted. "
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Quite possibly she was ill at the inquest, Debra. A lot of reports mention her husky, low voice. One (The East London Observer) goes further and says that;

"Her chest was "queer", she said, so the officer interpreted. "
Yes, I agree, Joshua, that is why the woman with lifelong chest, throat and tonsil problems was first picked out from the Infirmary registers by Gareth Williams I believe. That woman corresponds to the woman I found listed as 'alcoholic' and 'prostitute' in the infirmary records and resident of George St.Spitalfields and areas of SGE, namely a lodging house run by John Satchell at 4 NE Passage. After her inquest appearance she went back in to the Infirmary in SGE and had a lifelong problem with her throat, ending in a tracheotomy.

I read it that Curious's point seemed to be that the woman I'd identified in the Infirmary 1888 was considered too ill to have been the witness at Tabram's inquest, where no one has ever raised that objection that I know of.
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The discussion was about the fact that if that was the same MA Connolly, then she was straight back in the Infirmary almost permanently after Martha Tabram's death and not around in Whitechapel. I haven't seen anyone dispute it was her...not even Tom!
Of course it was her, Debs, so she couldn't have been Pizer's denouncer in Church Street or have lived with Polly in the run-up to her death.
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