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View Poll Results: Emma Smith was attacked by
A gang of men 25 60.98%
Jack the Ripper 6 14.63%
Someone else 1 2.44%
A gang of men which included Jack the Ripper 9 21.95%
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:32 PM
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Hi all,

There was no man in Emma's life, so no one to 'cover' for. She acknowledged to the doctor that she was a prostitute, so had absolutely no reason to lie regarding her attack to cover for her soliciting. As for a 'gang' of men, she saw three men on the street, but could only speak to having been assaulted by two men. The third man may have been present and participated, may have stood watch for the other, or may have had nothing to do with the assault at all. I haven't participated in the poll, because although there's little doubt at all in my mind that she was telling the truth, I can't yet state a firm belief regarding the participation of Jack.

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I thought 'a gang of men' to be most likely and voted accordingly. That is, after all, what she claimed and, like Tom, I can't see any reason for Emma to have lied. I just wonder why she was so reluctant to involve the police as, according to Reid:

"She would have passed a number of Pc's en route but none was informed of the incident or asked to render assistance".

It's not a pleasant thought, but perhaps she did approach one or more officers and was taken for just another troublesome drunk. I hope not.

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Hi All,

Prior to April 1888 there had been much-discussed accusations of police levying blackmail against prostitutes, so perhaps Emma Smith had been attacked by a group of policemen. This might explain why she couldn't [or wouldn't?] describe her assailants. And perhaps the blunt object which ruptured her peritoneum had been a truncheon. All of which might explain Chief Inspector West reporting that the "whole of the police on duty deny all knowledge of the occurrence."

Who knows? Anything's possible. And it sure beats later efforts to retro-fit Emma Smith's death as the work of the lone maniac who murdered Martha Tabram and Polly Nichols.

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Hi All,

Prior to April 1888 there had been much-discussed accusations of police levying blackmail against prostitutes, so perhaps Emma Smith had been attacked by a group of policemen. This might explain why she couldn't [or wouldn't?] describe her assailants. And perhaps the blunt object which ruptured her peritoneum had been a truncheon. All of which might explain Chief Inspector West reporting that the "whole of the police on duty deny all knowledge of the occurrence."

Who knows? Anything's possible. And it sure beats later efforts to retro-fit Emma Smith's death as the work of the lone maniac who murdered Martha Tabram and Polly Nichols.

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Hi, Simon,
Very interesting.

Any names for the policemen involved?

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Hi Curious,

Those PCs I could find were not named or numbered, and, sadly for our purposes, had been dismissed/had resigned/were fined prior to April 1888.

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And perhaps the blunt object which ruptured her peritoneum had been a truncheon. All of which might explain Chief Inspector West reporting that the "whole of the police on duty deny all knowledge of the occurrence."
Who knows? Anything's possible.
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Hi Simon, everything's possible but....euh....comment dire ? Isn't that a bit too much ? Would you put Dew's opinion in a cover-up category as well ?
If so, by the way, the police had better to confirm Emma's story.

edit : blackmailing Emma Smith ? Rather dubious, imo.

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She acknowledged to the doctor that she was a prostitute
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Hi Tom. Did she ?
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Hi DVV,

Which particular Dew opinion would that be?

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That she was a JtR victim, I mean.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:37 PM
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Hi DVV,

Who do you prefer to believeó

Emma Smith, who, as she lay dying, told of being attacked by "some men", or Walter Dew, who in 1938 ascribed her death to a lone nutbag who five months after her death would become known to the world as Jack the Ripper?

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