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Old 04-23-2016, 08:20 PM
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I know this is an old thread, but I found this :


Private Charles Henry Tabram/Tabrum (c.1873-1956)
·Son of Henry Tabrum and Martha White (c.1851-?) of the Parish of St.
Saviour, Southwark, London, Surrey, England.
·British Birth Registration suggests Charles Tabrum was born about 1973 in
Southwark.
·On the 1881 Census Returns for Tower Hamlets, London, Charles, his
mother, listed as a Flower Hawker, and a younger brother are living in the
Whitechapel Workhouse.
·In 1887, Charles Henry Tabrum was a member of a part of 'Home Children'
from the National Boys Refuge, Great Queen Street, London, sent to the
Shaftesbury Boys Home in Hamilton, Ontario.

·He enlisted in Hamilton on 28 July 1915 and was assigned to the C.E.F. 76th
Battalion.
·He was sent to England May 1916 and to France before the end of the year.
·On his return, Charles Tabrum married a widow, Berta Seifert-Wilson of
Hamilton and became a well-known city gardener.
·Died on 18 October 1956, aged 83 years. Buried in the Veterans Section,
Woodland Cemetery, Hamilton.

http://www.wefhs.myhamilton.ca/conte...-home-children
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I doubt Charlie was born in 1973.

2nd dot point.
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I doubt Charlie was born in 1973.

2nd dot point.

Yeah, its clearly a typo of '1873'.
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Yeah, its clearly a typo of '1873'.
Just thought it was funny.
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Frederick John Tabram
Born 1870 St Saviours, Southwark

Married 1890 in Pontypridd, Wales to Ann Thomas

1871 census:
20 Marshall P(lace), St George, London Road
Head: Henry Tabram aged 35 born Whitechapel - Furniture porter
Wife: Martha Tabram aged 21 born Southwark
Children:
Henry Tabram aged 10
Frederick aged 1 month
Both born in Southwark

1881 census:
Workhouse, 35 Thomas Street, Whitechapel
Inmates:
Martha Tabran (sic) aged 30 born Borough, Surrey - Flower hawker
Frederick Tabran aged 8
Charles Tabran aged 7
Both born Borough

1891 census:
3 Llewelyns Row, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Head: Frederick J Tabram aged 22 born London - Coal miner
Wife: Ann Tabram aged 21 born Machynlleth

1901 census:
22 Park Terrace, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Head: Fred. J Tabram aged 32 born London - Coal hewer
Wife: Anne Tabram aged 31 born born Montgomery
Children:
Henry L Tabram aged 9
Elizabeth M Tabram aged 6
William C Tabram aged 2
All born Ystradfodwg


1911 census:
6 East Street, Abertillery, Monmouth
Head: Frederick John Tabram aged 42 born London - Coal Miner Hewer
Wife: Ann Tabram aged 41 born Monmouthshire
Children:
Henry Lewis Tabram aged 19 - Coal Miner Hewer
Elizabeth Mary Tabram aged 17
William Charles Tabram aged 12
Deborah Tabram aged 10
All born in Glamorgan


Years married: 19
Children born: 5
Children living: 4
Actually the censuses for both 1901 and 1911 list only four children, not five, and none are mentioned (as far as I see) elsewhere.

But it is interesting that neither of the two girls have the name "Martha". Usually family names are somehow passed down. Fred's father's name, "Henry" (who died or left the family between 1871 and 1881 - most likely died) was honored with a grandson getting that name. The closest was Elizbeth's middle name being "Mary".

Possibly the fate of his mother was just too horrible for Fred to have to recall, so he decided not to push her ill-fated name on his daughters.

Jeff

By the way. The genealogical search showed Martha White married Harry Tabram. Where did the moniker, "Martha Turner" pop up from? An earlier marriage? Some relative?

Jeff

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Just thought it was funny.
It is!

Anyway, likely not new news but it answers the question of where at least one son ended up.
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Actually the censuses for both 1901 and 1911 list only four children, not five, and none are mentioned (as far as I see) elsewhere.

Jeff
The question on the 1911 census re "number of children" would have referred to those born over the person's life, prior to that time. Having listed five children, yet only four living, is not necessarily an error, as the fifth might have been born and died between census years, and so not appeared in them. Maybe the name Martha was given to a daughter who had died very young.

I think the question (which also appears on American national census records of a similar period) may have been meant to find out the infant mortality rate.
Today this information helps genealogists by prompting them to look for another birth certificate they might not otherwise have considered.
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Hey, I know I disappeared forever, but am still alive in spite of the doctors prognosis. Whoever the Ripper was, if it was a single person, how does one explain away the blood spattered perpetrator hiding his condition whilst walking/journeying home. Does this not suggest strongly an accomplice/some form of transport?
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