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View Poll Results: Emma Smith was attacked by
A gang of men 22 70.97%
Jack the Ripper 2 6.45%
Someone else 2 6.45%
A gang of men which included Jack the Ripper 5 16.13%
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Smith's gang story seems a little suspect but, even if it's true, other serial killers have committed their first murder as part of a gang then gone on to kill solo so I don't understand the issue people have with that possibility.
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I would vote towards the idea that Emma Smith was attacked by a gang of men. From what I have read about this crime there isn't any evidence pointing to the fact that this is the Ripper other than the fact that she is a prostitute, and it occurred three months before the Nichols murder. There was not even a sharp object involved in the assault. While there is the possibility that the ripper was in the group of men, there is still little to no evidence to support this theory.
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Ditto sentinel65...as you say, the evidence certainly points that way! Welcome to Casebook by the way...

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Hi Sentinel, welcome to the Casebook. I see you've been reading up on Smith. What are your sources?

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Hi Sentinel, welcome to the Casebook. I see you've been reading up on Smith. What are your sources?

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Thanks, I'm glad to be here. My source for information on the Smith case is 'The Complete Jack The Ripper' by Donald Rumbelow.
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The old 1970's classic or his 2000 and something update? We've had a lot of chatter somewhat recently on here about Smith, namely started by yours truly. A fascinating case.

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The old 1970's classic or his 2000 and something update? We've had a lot of chatter somewhat recently on here about Smith, namely started by yours truly. A fascinating case.

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I read the 1975 edition, I wasn't aware there was a newer version by the same name.

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Old 05-25-2012, 12:40 AM
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Yep, there is. I thought it was interesting and kind of neat that your first post here was on an Emma Smith. We never see that.

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Yep, there is. I thought it was interesting and kind of neat that your first post here was on an Emma Smith. We never see that.

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Tom Wescott
Well I have been going through the Ripper facts before attempting to find a suspect, so I may easily build up my opinion on many of the mysteries of the case. The first mystery I'm analyzing is how many murders the Ripper committed, so I've been reading up on each victim in order to find the answer.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:13 PM
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The Old Nicholl probably.
But, I have been reading about 19th century abortion and pretty gruesome stuff it is too.
Maybe,just maybe, it was an attempt at self induced abortion or botched by somebody else.
Perhaps the Doctors experience may have been that the type of injury sustained by Emma was not uncommon amongst women who had attempted abortion, could it explain his diffidence?
No witnesses, no arrests, only Emma's testimony to go on.although she did indicate one of her attackers was young,around 19 I think which would be more supportive of her story.
I'm 95% on the gang rape,but after reading about the kinds of things women were sticking up themselves there is a small 5% doubt.
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