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Old 01-18-2010, 03:54 AM
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Default George Yard Building street address?

All the newspaper articles that mention George Yard Buildings mention the address of the building in terms of the room numbers the lodgers occupy, such as "37 George Yard Buildings". However I can't seem to figure out what is the BUILDING address of George Yard Buildings? I assume the street address is "some number, George Yard".

I'm trying to figure out were George Yard Buildings is in relation to the "33 George Yard, Whitechapel" mentioned in this Old Bailey case.

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...Yard#highlight
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Don't think Pinkerton is still a member but in case anyone else is interested ... I just looked up George Yard in the 1881 census in Findmypast.co.uk and ancestry and they list only

New Buildings, numbers 1 to 48.
New Court, numbers 1 to 16.

There are no other inhabited buildings.
(It's in Whitechapel North District 15 in 1881.)

So when Catherine Hurly said she lived at 33 George Yard, she must have lived in New Buildings, as the other only goes up to 16. If she said she lived at No10 we'd not know which block she was in!


Looking at the 1891 census, we find the following:

Three unnumbered single dwellings
A lodging house, address 33 George Yard.
20 George Yard
St George's House, numbers 1 to 40.
Baliol House Chamber
Lade Rest
St George's Residence for Girls
Whitechapel St Mary > Whitechapel Church > District 14 >

These entries don't tally up with the phrases we see in the reports and on maps, i.e. "George Yard Dwellings" or "George Yard Buildings".

Helena
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Don't think Pinkerton is still a member but in case anyone else is interested ... I just looked up George Yard in the 1881 census in Findmypast.co.uk and ancestry and they list only

New Buildings, numbers 1 to 48.
New Court, numbers 1 to 16.

There are no other inhabited buildings.
(It's in Whitechapel North District 15 in 1881.)

So when Catherine Hurly said she lived at 33 George Yard, she must have lived in New Buildings, as the other only goes up to 16. If she said she lived at No10 we'd not know which block she was in!
I've just looked at the 1881 census for George Yard (on Ancestry) and there is listed a 4, 5, 6/7, 8, 9 & 10 (uninhabited), 11, 12, 14, 21, 22, 23, 24, 31/33, New Buildings (Which is basically George Yard Buildings) and New Court. There is also Garden Court. the total population was colossal, by the look of it!

Many of these numbered dwellings would've been lodging houses, however there was a considerable amount of rebuilding done around this time and I think it is safe to say that by the time of the 1891 census, there weren't that many indivual numbered dwellings left. The ones that remained seemed to have kept their original numbers.

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Looking at the 1891 census, we find the following:

Three unnumbered single dwellings
A lodging house, address 33 George Yard.
20 George Yard
St George's House, numbers 1 to 40.
Baliol House Chamber
Lade Rest
St George's Residence for Girls
Whitechapel St Mary > Whitechapel Church > District 14 >

These entries don't tally up with the phrases we see in the reports and on maps, i.e. "George Yard Dwellings" or "George Yard Buildings".

Helena
George Yard Buildings is in that census, but in 1890 it had been renamed Balliol House.

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I've just looked at the 1881 census for George Yard (on Ancestry) and there is listed a 4, 5, 6/7, 8, 9 & 10 (uninhabited), 11, 12, 14, 21, 22, 23, 24, 31/33, New Buildings

George Yard Buildings is in that census, but in 1890 it had been renamed Balliol House.

JB
I looked it up on Ancestry and got 1 to 48, not to 33.

"George Yard Buildings".... is that the building in which Tabram was murdered?

Sometimes it is given as George Yard Dwellings.

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I looked it up on Ancestry and got 1 to 48, not to 33.

"George Yard Buildings".... is that the building in which Tabram was murdered?

Sometimes it is given as George Yard Dwellings.

Helena
Hi

The "4, 5, 6/7, 8, 9 & 10 (uninhabited), 11, 12, 14, 21, 22, 23, 24, 31/33" to which I refer are not the numbers of flats in 'New Buildings' aka George Yard Buildings (which indeed had 48 rooms), but dwelling numbers in George Yard itself.

George Yard Buildings is where Tabram was murdered, yes, though some press reports and later accounts call it 'dwellings'.

JB
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How about St. George's Building?
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:45 AM
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It's all getting very confusing!
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I think more to the point. who was living in george Yard buildings?
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I think more to the point. who was living in george Yard buildings?
A load of strangers of no consequence?
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