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Old 09-12-2012, 06:55 AM
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Is Tabram the only victim where it is suggested that killer and "mutilator" were two separate individuals?

I find it hilarious to think of a serial killer in Whitechapel who cut women's throats being followed around by a separate necrophiliac who then mutilated the bodies....!

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Old 09-12-2012, 07:04 AM
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Double Act perhaps Phil? It might explain why we have so many differing witness descriptions of 'suspicious men' with the victims

Ginger - Yes, I agree, it almost appears that killing was, if not incidental, then a means to an end.
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:43 AM
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Do we have "so many differing witness descriptions of 'suspicious men' with the victims"?

Polly, Kelly - no descriptions.

Eddowes (Lawende's man)
Chapman (Mrs Long's man - seen from back)

Both could be the same man.

Stride - Schwartz BSM and PSM, but one seemed to have nothing to do with the assault.

So hardly a huge range to choose from and in only one (IMHO doubtful) case, two men at once.

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Old 09-12-2012, 09:57 AM
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Do we have [b]"so many differing witness descriptions of 'suspicious men' with the victims"
A few, I think.

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Polly, Kelly - no descriptions.
None for Polly, Kelly - Blotchy? Astrakhan Man? His existence is admittedly contraversial.

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Eddowes (Lawende's man)
Chapman (Mrs Long's man - seen from back)

Both could be the same man.
Could be, yes.

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Stride - Schwartz BSM and PSM, but one seemed to have nothing to do with the assault.

So hardly a huge range to choose from and in only one (IMHO doubtful) case, two men at once.
No, not a huge range, but differing witness descriptions, certainly. I don't think any clear picture of a suspect emerges from those descriptions.
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Two men working as a team in the JtR murders? I don't see it happening
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