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Old 08-24-2017, 04:09 PM
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So far I have watched all of the episodes except the final one where they exhume Holmes' body. I have been fairly entertained by them and they do seem to pursue every lead they can find. My main objection is how they keep referring to the Ripper letters as being from Jack all the while failing to mention that the consensus opinion among Ripperologists is that they are fake.

While I don't think Holmes was the Ripper the show does manage to produce some circumstantial evidence so that it becomes at least a possibility.

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So far I have watched all of the episodes except the final one where they exhume Holmes' body. I have been fairly entertained by them and they do seem to pursue every lead they can find. My main objection is how they keep referring to the Ripper letters as being from Jack all the while failing to mention that the consensus opinion among Ripperologists is that they are fake.

While I don't think Holmes was the Ripper the show does manage to produce some circumstantial evidence so that it becomes at least a possibility.

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Hi c.d.

I've watched 3 shows so far and I've just made the same point as you on the JTRForum. They mention the 'Americanisms' but no mention that the letters are considered hoaxes by most (including senior police officers at the time.)
I also found it strange how 'excited' they got at finding Holmes' pseudonyms on ships manifests. Surely it would have been more surprising if they hadn't considering how many he used? I'm also not keen on these 'forensic' sketches. For me they would need to find more tangible proof that he was in London (or at least England) at the time.
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:25 PM
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So far I have watched all of the episodes except the final one where they exhume Holmes' body. I have been fairly entertained by them and they do seem to pursue every lead they can find. My main objection is how they keep referring to the Ripper letters as being from Jack all the while failing to mention that the consensus opinion among Ripperologists is that they are fake.

While I don't think Holmes was the Ripper the show does manage to produce some circumstantial evidence so that it becomes at least a possibility.

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Hi CD and herlock.
I've tried to watch but can't. These type of shows literally upset my stomach. Another fake "documentary". Makes me ill.

The fake drama facial shots and pregnant pauses. Oooooo....something very dramatic is happening. Lol!

The fake drama set pieces, like looking at radar of underwater objects. Yeah your really going to find one of his victims. What a joke.

The stupid misleading and ambiguous "evidence". Like the letters.

Speaking of letters and joke suspects. I was in the library and picked up Cornwalls book on sickert. I stopped reading about 20 pages in when she started saying that most of the hoax ripper letters are authentic and literally tossed it across the room in the trash can. And like the true garbage that it is it went right into the can like it knew where it belonged.its still there. I'm seriously thinking of leaving it there and paying the lost book fee, as I can't stomach the thought of having it back in circulation. It doesn't deserve to be on a library shelf.

Sickert, HH Holmes, Maybrick. Garbage.
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:36 PM
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Hello Abby,

True. But on the other hand I think Amaryllis is kind of cute although I would like to see her fix herself up a little. Yes. Yes. I am shallow.

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Totally agree, Abby. In his own right, Holmes was a fascinating psychopath: What other serial killer had his own building, designed specifically for luring, trapping, killing and disposing of human beings - all without ever having to go outside? But he had nothing whatever in common with JTR besides "operating" during roughly the same time period. The main fault with American documentaries is that they're produced strictly for entertainment value and as a marketing venue. Brits do it far better. Your "garbage" list is right on the money, but short just a few names.

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I checked out of this show long ago. Right now I'm looking forward to Scorsese and DiCaprio's upcoming pic on H.H. Holmes, which will be a film adaptation of "The Devil and the White City." But The latest news says it may take a while. I wish them best. Scorsese's last pic did not do well. Hope his next few films will do well so that he will get to make "The Devil and the White City."
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I checked out of this show long ago. Right now I'm looking forward to Scorsese and DiCaprio's upcoming pic on H.H. Holmes, which will be a film adaptation of "The Devil and the White City." But The latest news says it may take a while. I wish them best. Scorsese's last pic did not do well. Hope his next few films will do well so that he will get to make "The Devil and the White City."
Thanks for the link, YomRippur. I wasn't aware of this film project, and will join you in looking forward to it. I found the book great reading.
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just finished watching ep3,how on earth do they believe Holmes was even anything like JtR?
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Hi CD and herlock.
I've tried to watch but can't. These type of shows literally upset my stomach. Another fake "documentary". Makes me ill.

The fake drama facial shots and pregnant pauses. Oooooo....something very dramatic is happening. Lol!

The fake drama set pieces, like looking at radar of underwater objects. Yeah your really going to find one of his victims. What a joke.

The stupid misleading and ambiguous "evidence". Like the letters.

Speaking of letters and joke suspects. I was in the library and picked up Cornwalls book on sickert. I stopped reading about 20 pages in when she started saying that most of the hoax ripper letters are authentic and literally tossed it across the room in the trash can. And like the true garbage that it is it went right into the can like it knew where it belonged.its still there. I'm seriously thinking of leaving it there and paying the lost book fee, as I can't stomach the thought of having it back in circulation. It doesn't deserve to be on a library shelf.

Sickert, HH Holmes, Maybrick. Garbage.
And some of the Ripperologists used in this debacle, have also not done themselves, or ripperology any favours

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And some of the Ripperologists used in this debacle, have also not done themselves, or ripperology any favours

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Who do you have in mind? Did anyone endorse H.H. Holmes as the Ripper?
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