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Not sure where "Polly and Annie said themselves that they were actively soliciting" that morning,or the previous night.

By coincidence both left their boarding houses around 1.40 am to "get some money".

Both were found dead in the vicinity of Hanbury Street,a short walk from the London Hospital.

Hmm.....
Polly, at 2:30am, said to Emily Holland...""I've had my doss money three times today and spent it." She says, "It won't be long before I'm back."

Annie says to Tim Donvan, at 1:30am, "I haven't sufficient money for my bed," she tells him, "but don't let it. I shall not be long before I'm in."

Neither of these women had legitimate night jobs.
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Which leaves begging and blackmail
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Rather than derail the "Recognition" thread, I thought it appropriate to start another on the reason why a motley collection of unfortunates were persuaded to allow a man to take them to one side and quietly assassinate them. These women may have been down on their luck but they were not stupid. They were middle-aged, savvy, streetwise women who, by the very nature of their 'work', had probably all survived violent encounters of one sort or another. Yet someone, somehow (even at the height of the Ripper scare), persuaded them to lower their guard to such an extent that they went with him willingly and placed themselves in circumstances where he was able to achieve his ghastly aims with little or no resistance.

Suggestions invited as to what sort of man would have been able to do this. Perhaps someone who was familiar to all of them. I'm suggesting (with no suspect in mind) someone like Steve Wright, the so-called "Ipswich Ripper" who used the services of the local prostitutes over a period of time and so gained their trust. My view is that, if there was a single "Jack the Ripper" entity, he was such a man - a regular - a man who had been a safe customer in the past and in whose company they therefore presumed, fatally, that they were completely safe.
interesting and quite possible.

i tried to do an exercise of locating on a map the place of residence of the victims at the time of their deaths. I even included, for fiction purposes, some other unfortunates murdered. I'm not certain the map would be reliable, and I'm sure someone made a better one before, but it looks like they were all located in the same 500 meters radius. I like to think Jack was from there too, and a stalker.

only Eddowes doesn't fit the pattern.
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"They were middle-aged, savvy, streetwise women who, by the very nature of their 'work', had probably all survived violent encounters of one sort or another. Yet someone, somehow (even at the height of the Ripper scare), persuaded them to lower their guard to such an extent that they went with him willingly and placed themselves in circumstances where he was able to achieve his ghastly aims with little or no resistance. "

My opinion.They got used to a routine for years and why would that night be different?
Plus they did not have money for doss and booze,they need to drink, right there and then - possibly a strong need,they had no other alternative to make money,and that situation could easily make people stupid and gullible.

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