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Old 04-15-2018, 10:48 AM
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I'll repost this clip I found a couple of years ago. Any thoughts?

The Echo September 16, 1889

It reads as if they think it was Jack and a partner, does it not...?
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Yes.

My point in posting this was to illustrate it was more than just the doctors that felt the two torsos were connected. Remember too, there were letters being sent referring to the "Dodger" (a ripper accomplice) and also letters during the Whitehall and Pinchin crimes where the writer (supposedly JTR) claimed he was not responsible for the two torso discoveries (Pinchin and Whitehall). He wouldn't have made such a "botch" of it was the phrase I believed was used.
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Yeah like the ripper and a partner are responsible for both series???

Or are they saying two men for torso and then the ripper separately?
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Yeah like the ripper and a partner are responsible for both series???

Or are they saying two men for torso and then the ripper separately?
It would seem so to me - meaning the latter suggestion.
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To me it is suggesting the Whitechapel monster had a couple of men depositing his dirty work for him.

It wasn't the work of him alone. He had help.
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If you recall the John Arnold story, it really was a botched up mess. Even so much as to lead someone to write, John Cleary is a fool on the deadwalls near the Pinchin Street arches.
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Yes.

My point in posting this was to illustrate it was more than just the doctors that felt the two torsos were connected. Remember too, there were letters being sent referring to the "Dodger" (a ripper accomplice) and also letters during the Whitehall and Pinchin crimes where the writer (supposedly JTR) claimed he was not responsible for the two torso discoveries (Pinchin and Whitehall). He wouldn't have made such a "botch" of it was the phrase I believed was used.
What mainly interests me is that it seems as if it was a done deal for The Echo that the Pinchin Street deed was the work of the Ripper. But just as you say, it is interesting to see that the medicos and press alike ascribed the Whitehall torso and the Pinchin Street ditto to the same killer.
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What mainly interests me is that it seems as if it was a done deal for The Echo that the Pinchin Street deed was the work of the Ripper. But just as you say, it is interesting to see that the medicos and press alike ascribed the Whitehall torso and the Pinchin Street ditto to the same killer.
And the detectives. no? They place more reliance...... that the criminals responsible...

"They" referring to the detectives.
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And the detectives. no? They place more reliance...... that the criminals responsible...

"They" referring to the detectives.
Sod it - I meant to write "the medicos and detectives".
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I'll repost this clip I found a couple of years ago. Any thoughts?

The Echo September 16, 1889

I don't think that "Whitechapel monster" refers to Jack the Ripper. I think the paper is referring to the monster (with a lower-case "m", note) who was responsible for the Whitechapel (Pinchin St) torso. If they meant Jack the Ripper, why not use that well-established nickname, or the other well-known handle of Whitechapel Murderer (with upper-case "M")?
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