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Old 11-30-2015, 07:06 PM
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All of the letters listed shown here seem contrived to me. The September 24th one starts out ok, but ends with the threat of more killing after already having said he was done with it. It's as if the letter writer is covering all bases, so to speak and also seems contrived.

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Some of them certainly are - "A WARNING" and its threat to a murder on the High Level Street which never happened.

But the September 24 letter doesn't bother me in this respect. Its author said he'd only surrender if "anyone comes" - presumably to escort him to a police station. "I have found the woman I wanted that is chapman" would suggest a preselected target, after which the murders would presumably cease, but if that's the case, why take responsibility for apparently unrelated murders over the "last six months"?

Generally I am more skeptical of letters that say "I've done [x], [y] more and I'm done" than otherwise. September 24 and "10/11/88" have the advantage, for me, of avoiding this format.

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Old 11-30-2015, 07:47 PM
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I'm sceptical of all really, except for the 'From Hell' letter, which to me has a different tone to the others. It suggests cannibalism for a start, which we know some modern day serial killers do indulge in. Victorian detectives were perhaps ignorant of that particular habit.

Also the author of 'From Hell' doesn't really sign his communication. It's as if he's repudiating the nickname Jack the Ripper, the name the Press have given him. That's something I imagine the killer doing.

Of course the authenticity of 'From Hell' rests on that piece of kidney being from Eddowes.
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Also the author of 'From Hell' doesn't really sign his communication. It's as if he's repudiating the nickname Jack the Ripper, the name the Press have given him. That's something I imagine the killer doing.
"AND HAS SOME ONE HAS BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE ME THE NAME OF "JACK THE RIPPER" I'LL ACCEPT IT AND ACT UP TO IT"

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Of course the authenticity of 'From Hell' rests on that piece of kidney being from Eddowes.
"From Hell" wasn't the only ostensible communication to come with a cold cut. Another letter, which I'm still looking for in Letters From Hell, was evidently sent out with a bit of dried liver.
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Here we are. Page 142 hardcover:

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Another brief 'Jack The Ripper' mention came on 6 May 1893 when a short article appeared in the East London Observer. Entitled 'Jack The Ripper Once More', the piece stated that the Detective Department at Scotland Yard was engaged in making enquiries about another letter received on the previous Monday by Mr Mead, a magistrate of the Thames Police Court, which was signed 'Jack The Ripper'. The letter stated that the 'Ripper' had again arrived in London and would directly resume operations. It bore the outline of a coffin drawn with blood or red ink, and in a piece of tissue paper was a fragment of dried liver.
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Yes, but according to Dr Openshaw of the London Hospital, the piece of kidney Lusk received had been preserved in spirits of wine, not the sort of liquid an ordinary householder would have in those days. Bit different to a dried old bit of offal, and a pretty elaborate (and nasty) practical joke for medical students, for instance, to play.

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Inspector McWilliam told the Home Office (6th November) that 'the result of the combined medical opinion they (the City Police) have taken upon it is that it is the kidney of a human adult, not charged with a fluid, as it would have been in the case of a body handed over for purposes of dissection in a hospital, but rather as it would be in a case where it was taken from the body not so destined.

So, unless the report on the kidney by Dr Gordon Brown, the City Police Surgeon, turns up, the jury is out on the kidney, and therefore the 'From Hell' letter. The question remains though, where did the Lusk kidney come from?

Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper killer, apparently loathed his nickname. These men have gigantic egos.
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I don't actually disagree with you, in that I also consider the Lusk letter the likeliest communication from the killer. My point is only that several of the other letters have qualities to recommend them as being of a comparable authenticity to 'From Hell', and certainly likelier than either 'Dear Boss' or 'Saucy Jacky'.

In particular, September 24 and "10/11/88", I think, are likelier than any letters outside of the Lusk saga to come from the killer - while I doubt either did, I at least incline to the view that nothing absolutely rules them out, and that both are intriguing. Skinner and Evans make a point of showing that the pseudonym 'Jack The Ripper' wasn't popularized before the 'double event' of September 30, and would just have entered popular circulation when the author of "10/11/88" reacted to it.

If I were to rank them on a scale of 0-100, say, the collective kidney letters might get a 55%, those two I've mentioned a 35%, 'Dear Boss' and the postcard (and maybe also 'Moab and Midian', on the basis that it disavows the Whitehall mystery, which a news-savvy hoaxer might wish to claim for effect) a 5%, and the rest a zero.

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I must correct myself on a point in the OP: the Openshaw letter is signed off as being from 'Jack The Ripper'. I'm not sure how I missed this. It certainly does make it more questionable to me whether or not it's written by the same hand as 'From Hell'.

Also, 'Tom Bullen' ought to be 'Tom Bulling'.
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Generally I am more skeptical of letters that say "I've done [x], [y] more and I'm done" than otherwise. September 24 and "10/11/88" have the advantage, for me, of avoiding this format.
The 24th letter does say, "I'm done...I killed Chapman and I'm done" Then there's the statement unrelated to anything else saying, "I may do it again." I believe it's, again, a way for the writer to perhaps be able to write another letter in the future so he's covering the options. Seems fake enough to me.

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spirits of wine, not the sort of liquid an ordinary householder would have in those days.

The question remains though, where did the Lusk kidney come from?

These men have gigantic egos.
What us hillbillies call moonshine.White lightnin'!
Pommies add some herbs,water it down and call it gin.
Ginny kidney

Catherine Eddowes.

Repress an ego for long enough......
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if "10/11/88" is authentic, for instance, then 'From Hell' cannot be, as its author explicitly denied writing "THOSE OTHER LETTERS"
And yet, it also says "WELL YOU SEE I'VE KEPT MY WORD, AND DONE FOR THE ONE I SAID I WOULD. I SUPPOSE YOU TOOK NO NOTICE OF WHAT I SAID."
So how did the writer previously get in touch, if not by letter?
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