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Old 09-12-2016, 03:11 PM
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"Why would Schwartz have been frightened by an innocent bystander? If I had been he, I think I would have been reassured by the appearance of a taller [at least I was right to make him tall, after all] man, who looked like he meant me no harm. "

He probably believed that the Pipe Man was a confederate of the B.S. man.

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Old 09-12-2016, 03:13 PM
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"My belief is that the man who shouted "Lipski" was likely the Ripper."

Hello Yom,

If so, why do you think he went on to kill Stride after being seen by Schwartz and the Pipe Man. At that point all he could be accused of is pushing a woman. Hardly a capital offense.

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Old 09-12-2016, 07:54 PM
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"My belief is that the man who shouted "Lipski" was likely the Ripper."

Hello Yom,

If so, why do you think he went on to kill Stride after being seen by Schwartz and the Pipe Man. At that point all he could be accused of is pushing a woman. Hardly a capital offense.

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Hi c.d.,

That might have been why the killer didn't carry out his intended full-on mutilations. He probably thought that since he had just been seen by two men, it would be best to end this quickly. He couldn't leave Stride alive because she would have been able to identify him. Yes, pushing a woman might be a small offense, but the killer might have been trying to avoid arrest for any reason fearing his Ripper identity might be revealed. So he cut her throat only and took off without the mutilations. The two things that might have worked in his favor was that second man might not have had a good look at him (the shout of "Lipski" might have distracted him from paying attention to the killer) and he was never identified nor interviewed.

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Aldebaran.



No prizes for guessing who they should remind you of.
Tumblety perhaps? Wasn't Tabram last seen with her girlfriend and two military men? Assuming Martha was a ripper victim (which I think she was), It would be nice to know the heights of the two military men that night.
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My belief is that the man who shouted "Lipski" was likely the Ripper. The second man that Israel Schwartz saw was probably attracted by the shouting of "Lipski", so he followed Schwartz for a while out of curiosity. In short, this possible Ripper distracted the second man (and perhaps other passersby as well) by shouting "Lipski" and brought the attention away from him and to Schwartz. It's a shame that this second man was never sought, identified, nor interviewed -- another stroke of good luck to the killer.
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