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Old 07-09-2012, 09:46 AM
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What I find a little strange is that the word 'Jews', which was not an unusual one, especially in an area with a 40% Jewish population, was badly mis-spelt in a sentence in which there were no other spelling mistakes.

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Old 07-10-2012, 07:15 AM
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What I find a little strange is that the word 'Jews', which was not an unusual one, especially in an area with a 40% Jewish population, was badly mis-spelt in a sentence in which there were no other spelling mistakes.

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Maybe it was simply a word that the writer wasn't used to writing ?

He probably wasn't Jewish himself.

I don't personally believe that the graffiti was written by Jack, and so I don't see anything mysterious or sinister in it.
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Old 07-10-2012, 01:27 PM
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Maybe it was simply a word that the writer wasn't used to writing ?

He probably wasn't Jewish himself.

I don't personally believe that the graffiti was written by Jack, and so I don't see anything mysterious or sinister in it.
I don't take issue with that at all and I agree that, on the balance of probabilities, the graffito was nothing to do with the killer.

Any thoughts on Paul Harrison's belief that 'Jewes' was the nickname given by the Met rank and file to their City counterparts? I can't find a reference to it anywhere else, so I suspect that it may have been a wind-up.

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I was always fascinated by a previous unrelated thread. I think it was Chris Scott who found a contemporary, or near contemporary reference to a family called the "Jewers". I seem to recall that one of them had some sort of criminal record. See - I've virtually solved it!

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I've always thought that the idea that Juwes was a misspelling of Jews most improbable, since the word JEWS was written such a lot -- and in public places -- that I can't imagine anyone who could spell the rest of the sentence would mis-spell that word.
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I've always thought that the idea that Juwes was a misspelling of Jews most improbable, since the word JEWS was written such a lot -- and in public places -- that I can't imagine anyone who could spell the rest of the sentence would mis-spell that word.
The rest of the "sentence" is such a mishmash of rotten grammar that misspelling a word is the least of the mistakes.
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The rest of the "sentence" is such a mishmash of rotten grammar that misspelling a word is the least of the mistakes.
Ah but that is my point - rotten grammar I can accept, it's rotten throughout. Cockneys have a different grammar from R.P. (double negatives and the like).

The words Jews was frequently in the public eye - even on buildings such as Jews Shelters and suchlike, so the spelling of it should have been pretty much embedded in people's consciousness.

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Hello all ,

Figured this may be of some interest ,

Simply put, the word "Juwe" and "Juwes" existed prior to the use of the word "Jew". This word "Jew" appears in the English language after the translation of the bible (King James) from Latin into Anglo-Saxon (English). Hence it is a relatively modern transliteration of the Hebrew, "Iudhi/Iudha".
Ergo, the word "Juwes" existed as the term for those referred to in historical documentation as "Jews" long long ago...and surprising, during 1888 and even TODAY! It exists in the British Museum Library (just down the road from Whitechapel) and the Bodlian Library, Oxford (just up the road from Whitechapel), in fact, up and down, and in me Laydis Chamber.
Who would know of this term "Juwes", in 1888? I ASSUME scholars of the ilk of Warren, Anderson, and of course, the Chief Rabbi.
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Also ,

In addition to appearing in the Bible, the spelling of the word "Jews" as "Juwes" pops up in English Literature too, such as in the famous 14th C. work 'Piers Ploughman'. 'Piers Ploughman' is considered to be one of the great works of early English Literature. It has been published and re-published for over 600 years, including in the 19th Century.

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Shouldn't think there were many Piers Plowman readers present in the backstreets of Whitechapel in 1888 though Moonbegger!

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